horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

[Thermal]

A screen shot of the phone with the call record displayed could have been provided within moments...

It was not necessary to turn over the phone or call the provider. The phone has the records right there and the police only need the record of one call.

Maybe they want to scroll through the texts to see if anyone suggested some great publicity stunts recently

 

[theprestige]

It's coming down to:

Either

Jussie Smollett is an idiot,

Or

The attack happened as claimed.

 

[LTC8K6]

But that doesn't square with reports I can find (links below). Everything I can find says the cops needed the phone "handed over" and that he would be without his phone for hours, and if the cops ask for something for hours who knows if that will be true. They also suggest the cops were fine with that and willing to wait for records instead.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...tor-jussie-smollett-refuses-hand-over-n965371

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...eged-racist-attack-hands-over-partial-n970386

https://pagesix.com/2019/02/11/jussie-smollett-finally-turns-phone-records-over-to-cops/

These reports, which claim to be sourced from police, are somewhat inconsistent but none of them suggest the cops would have been satisfied with a screenshot. And he has now turned over records. Don't know what to make of claims that he may be faking the records as suggested in this thread.

As an initial backup to the claim, not as courtroom proof.

"See, here's the call from my manager at 1:45am."

Submitting your own edited call record certainly wouldn't normally satisfy the cops about anything. Normally they'd call that useless.

If the police wanted my phone records, I doubt I could just edit them and submit them myself. I doubt they'd accept that as it has no chain of evidence/custody.

If they are serious, they just go around you and get your phone records with a warrant, directly from the service provider.

They will also know from cell tower data, roughly, if you were where you say you were.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Then why did the police need his phone for hours?

 

[Hungry81]

Then why did the police need his phone for hours?

it could have saved time. Serving a warrant, (or notice or order as applicable) on the phone comany takes time and effort, as opposed to him handing over the phone to check it when they first ask for it. Then from that they can decide whether they need to take it further. The self edited snapshot is next to useless.

A few hours of thorough checks vs days of delays. He may have had the right to do it the hard way, but it was a big risk. I think he was hoping the cops were incompetent or lazy or had more important things to do. A bit of a mistake on his part given how high profile this has become.

 

[Mumbles]

On the other hand, he could have placed the phone call to his manager and acted out a scenario over the phone, doing all the voices and sound effects himself, fooling the manager and adding an "ear-witness" for extra plausibility.

Definitely no reason to think that he's any sort of highly skilled voice actor, which is very different than being a singer or live-action actor. And that's putting aside any sound effects.

(Y'all should really stick with "He hurt himself as a cry for help, his manager's covering." which avoids all these extra goofball ideas at least.)

 

[LTC8K6]

Then why did the police need his phone for hours?

They wouldn't need it for anywhere near an hour.
They would want the phone for evidence chain of custody for any court case.

How long could it take to copy the call data?

Many police forces also have Cellebrite type devices, so they rarely need a password, and they may even be able to extract data wirelessly without you even being aware.

 

[a_unique_person]

It's coming down to:

Either

Jussie Smollett is an idiot,

Or

The attack happened as claimed.

After all these posts, no progress then.

 

[baron]

After all these posts, no progress then.

And what does that tell you? Two weeks after an alleged assault on the streets of a big city peppered with CCTV cameras, investigated by a team of a dozen detectives, we have precisely zero evidence of it ever having occurred.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Probably have reached an impasse.

it could have saved time.

"Hours" is a period time longer than "minutes". The question here is why didn't Jussie just show him his phone. All indications I can find from quotes from the police department are that he couldn't be without his phone for hours.

They wouldn't need it for anywhere near an hour.

Then why do they say "hours"???

They would want the phone for evidence chain of custody for any court case.

Then why do they say they needed it for hours? If this was their need they would have said "indefinitely", probably months. And I don't really see why they would need the phone. Wouldn't records obtained directly from his provider be what they really want?

 

[William Parcher]

Chicago cops need more phone records from 'Empire' star Jussie Smollett regarding reported attack

Chicago police on Monday confirmed that representatives for “Empire” actor Jussie Smollett had turned over phone records nearly two weeks after he reported being assaulted by two strangers near his Streeterville apartment.

But a spokesman for police Superintendent Eddie Johnson by late evening said that the records “are not sufficient and do not meet the burden of a criminal investigation,” and that police may require more assistance from the actor.

The New York Post’s “Page Six” column first reported that phone records for Smollett and his manager, whom he told authorities he was speaking with during the attack, were turned over to Johnson’s chief of staff on Monday.

Investigators had sought Smollett’s phone records since shortly after he reported the attack Jan. 29 in the 300 block of East North Water Street.

But police described Smollett’s phone records as a heavily redacted document file and his manager’s records as a screenshot of phone calls that provide limited information to investigators. Chief police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said police were “appreciative” of Smollett’s cooperation in providing the records but said detectives will likely need additional data from Smollett to crack the case...

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-smollett-update-20190211-story.html

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

William Parcher just posted a story (similar to other posted already) where the Police indicate that a screenshot is not sufficient.

 

[William Parcher]

William Parcher just posted a story (similar to other posted already) where the Police indicate that a screenshot is not sufficient.

The truth may be that the particular screenshot provided by the manager is not sufficient, but that a different screenshot might be sufficient.

 

[LTC8K6]

William Parcher just posted a story (similar to other posted already) where the Police indicate that a screenshot is not sufficient.

Crikey!

The look at the screen would only have been to satisfy the cops when they arrived. That way the cops could report that Smollett was indeed on the phone at the time of the attack. They wouldn't have to say that Smollett wasn't cooperating.

Showing the cops the phone screen when they arrived would be just to show them that you didn't make up the story.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I already said it wouldn't be good enough in a case, several times.

Smollett just needs to either let them have the phone for a few minutes to download the data, or sign a release to the service provider for the official records.

Smollett claiming it would take hours doesn't mean much.

 

[LTC8K6]

Showing a screen shot 2 weeks later makes no sense at all.

The screen shot should have been shown when the cops first arrived.

 

[carlitos]

we-e-ell, hot sauce is sorta like pepper spray.

Um, are the lower streets of Chicago gay pick up spots? Tryst gone sour?

Any use fo 'bleach', like as a cleanser, having to do with sex?

Yes, it gets the gerbil extra-excited.

It's coming down to:

Either

Jussie Smollett is an idiot,

Or

The attack happened as claimed.

I can't tell if you're kidding, trying to illustrate a false dilemma, or what.

 

[Thermal]

Showing a screen shot 2 weeks later makes no sense at all.

The screen shot should have been shown when the cops first arrived.

That's true. I actually did that once to make a point. Changing the phone's date and time, contact numbers and names, you can literally recreate any conversation in a screenshot. It wouldn't survive cursory scrutiny of a physical examination, though.

Strong feeling there is stuff on that phone Smolett does not want the 5-0 to read, whether related to the case or otherwise. Texts are my guess.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Showing a screen shot 2 weeks later makes no sense at all.

The screen shot should have been shown when the cops first arrived.

The screen shot is from the manager's phone and as far as I know the police have never "arrived" there.


ETA: Sigh. I'm not sure about this now. Can't find a reliable report of where his manager was in relation to the condo. I found one report that said he was taken to the hospital by his manager. Earlier in this thread there were reports he'd gone to the hospital on his own but I can't find a source for that.

 

[TJM]

Strong feeling there is stuff on that phone Smolett does not want the 5-0 to read, whether related to the case or otherwise. Texts are my guess.

Strong feeling the cops already know who Jussie was on the phone with at the time of the alleged attack, if he was on the phone at all.

This is really turning out like a bad 70’s sitcom where all the fibs and merry mixups finally overwhelm our hero and he’s left standing in the restaurant with colander of linguine dumped on his head and his hot roommates stomp out.

 

[applecorped]

Strong feeling the cops already know who Jussie was on the phone with at the time of the alleged attack, if he was on the phone at all.

This is really turning out like a bad 70’s sitcom where all the fibs and merry mixups finally overwhelm our hero and he’s left standing in the restaurant with colander of linguine dumped on his head and his hot roommates stomp out.

Wasn't that an episode of Three's Company?