horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

[Cavemonster]

How many man hours should the CPD devote to the investigation of a "domestic terrorist attack" without attempting to verify that such an attack actually happened?

The victim is not the only one with an interest in what is going on here.

The argument I'm addressing is that if Smollett is telling the truth, then he would happily hand over his phone because it would help with his case. But his phone would add nothing to his case and all of the reasons even skeptical posters gave show us reasons handing over the phone could suck. Given all that, not turning in his phone doesn't look like particularly damming evidence he's lying.

 

[Cavemonster]

AFAIK, it just means you did it to yourself, in whatever way.

In this context "self inflicted" refers to a proposed scenario where Smollett is both lying and not trying to cover up some other accident. I suppose a person could have an accident and then decide to opportunistically use their injuries to create a lie they have other motivations to make, but that's getting into the far fetched regions of an already unlikely speculative field.

 

[baron]

The argument I'm addressing is that if Smollett is telling the truth, then he would happily hand over his phone because it would help with his case. But his phone would add nothing to his case and all of the reasons even skeptical posters gave show us reasons handing over the phone could suck. Given all that, not turning in his phone doesn't look like particularly damming evidence he's lying.

As I pointed out, I believe the phone is a red herring, the police don't care about the phone, they want his phone records.

 

[MikeG]

......How long until the two people in the video stills tell us what they saw Smollett doing across the road that night?

How long before all the witnesses to the scooter crash come forward? How long before the wrecked scooter is discovered? (Obviously no-one would have thought of putting tracking devices on these things, would they.)

 

[Drewbot]

How long before all the witnesses to the scooter crash come forward? How long before the wrecked scooter is discovered? (Obviously no-one would have thought of putting tracking devices on these things, would they.)

They have tracking devices. You can go on your app and see where the unused ones are, Walk to it, scan the bar code, it lights up, and you get on it.

I wonder if he doesn't want the scooter app to be analyzed by the police. So he won't give them his phone.

 

[Drewbot]

As I pointed out, I believe the phone is a red herring, the police don't care about the phone, they want his phone records.

At least we know the phone didn't get smashed in the attack.

 

[LTC8K6]

How long before all the witnesses to the scooter crash come forward? How long before the wrecked scooter is discovered? (Obviously no-one would have thought of putting tracking devices on these things, would they.)

Rest assured that the police will consider all sorts of scenarios.

Many of them ridiculous.

Especially if the simple avenues of investigation don't seem to fit.

 

[LTC8K6]

Would these supposed scooters even be out there at that time? Assuming that they work after a very cold soak.

In reading up on them, it seems like they are typically collected up at night, inspected and charged up, and then put back out again early in the morning.

 

[MikeG]

....I wonder if he doesn't want the scooter app to be analyzed by the police. So he won't give them his phone.

So, we've got no reports yet of witnesses to a scooter crash. We've got no reports yet of a damaged or missing scooter. We've got no reports of him riding a scooter. The police aren't mentioning anything about scooters (indeed, they're saying he is the victim, not a suspect). The scooters are reportedly not available at night anyway. Yet the reason he hasn't handed over his phone records to the police (who could just ask the scooter company for the details anyway) is because he's hiding evidence of having a crash on an electric scooter. It's going to be very difficult to take anything you say seriously ever again.

 

[baron]

Here's my guess (and spare the outrage, it's a guess). He left Subway, went to walk home, met someone, went back to their place, there was a disagreement, a scuffle, he left and walked to his friend's place and, not wanting to admit what happened, made up a story about a lynching by two MAGA-shouting racist homophones. That would explain the lost 30 minutes, his lack of serious injuries and his reluctance to permit access to his phone records (the alleged phone call was never made). As for the clothes lines and the bleach, who knows, but they're more likely to be found indoors than out.

 

[Cavemonster]

As I pointed out, I believe the phone is a red herring, the police don't care about the phone, they want his phone records.

It isn't hard to imagine good reasons he wouldn't turn over records either. If he at some point called a phone sex line or a suicide hotline for instance. Records can easily be personal in a million ways.

And again, all the records would confirm would be the existence and time of the call that he already told them. If he is being honest then neither phone or records add anything to the case. So not turning either over is fully consistent with him being honest.

There certainly are some red flags, but I would count phone or records among them.

 

[TJM]

Here's my guess (and spare the outrage, it's a guess). He left Subway, went to walk home, met someone, went back to their place, there was a disagreement, a scuffle, he left and walked to his friend's place and, not wanting to admit what happened, made up a story about a lynching by two MAGA-shouting racist homophones. That would explain the lost 30 minutes, his lack of serious injuries and his reluctance to permit access to his phone records (the alleged phone call was never made). As for the clothes lines and the bleach, who knows, but they're more likely to be found indoors than out.

That’s basically where I’m at. Of course he was beaten. However, I’m afraid his account of how that came to be has pegged the BS meter.

 

[MikeG]

That’s basically where I’m at.........

That pile of speculation in your quote fails to account for the witness on the other end of the phone at the time of the attacks who heard the "MAGA" shouts. You're being selective.

Why would you think the police are saying that Smollett is the victim, and not the accused?

 

[Drewbot]

So, we've got no reports yet of witnesses to a scooter crash. We've got no reports yet of a damaged or missing scooter. We've got no reports of him riding a scooter. The police aren't mentioning anything about scooters (indeed, they're saying he is the victim, not a suspect). The scooters are reportedly not available at night anyway. Yet the reason he hasn't handed over his phone records to the police (who could just ask the scooter company for the details anyway) is because he's hiding evidence of having a crash on an electric scooter. It's going to be very difficult to take anything you say seriously ever again.

A single broken rib is more likely to be a result of a handlebar injury, than a fall or a kick.

What injury results in a single broken rib?
Oh you land on a handle bar.

 

[MikeG]

A single broken rib is more likely to be a result of a handlebar injury, than a fall or a kick.

What injury results in a single broken rib?
Oh you land on a handle bar.

Like I say.........it hard to take anything you say seriously when you're "investigating" a scenario which only exists in your own mind.

 

[Thermal]

A single broken rib is more likely to be a result of a handlebar injury, than a fall or a kick.

What injury results in a single broken rib?
Oh you land on a handle bar.

Dude, there are a bazillion ways to crack a rib. Since things with handlebars do not appear available at 2AM in Chicago, and a sane person wouldn't be riding one in 5degree weather anyway, i think we can safely drop that one.

 

[The Big Dog]

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loc...cagos-Transportation-System----502636421.html

Looks like there are some there.

Detroit is inundated with them

Not yet, next summer

 

[Drewbot]

Not yet, next summer

OK maybe he borrowed someone's.

 

[carlitos]

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loc...cagos-Transportation-System----502636421.html

Looks like there are some there.

Detroit is inundated with them

That's too bad for Detroit. As for Chicago, it's not summer festival season, and North Water Street is not on the South Side. From the link that you posted.

Chicago is conducting a pilot e-scooter program on the South Side, allowing them to operate on the streets during certain summer festivals to evaluate where the new technology could go next.

They have tracking devices. You can go on your app and see where the unused ones are, Walk to it, scan the bar code, it lights up, and you get on it.

I wonder if he doesn't want the scooter app to be analyzed by the police. So he won't give them his phone.

There. Is. No. Scooter. App.



There are no dockless scooter rentals in downtown Chicago.



If you want to write fiction, go to a ******* literary forum.

 

[William Parcher]

Tell me how you self-inflict a broken rib?

My thought was from an intentional fall to the ground. He may not have wanted to break a rib and instead wanted to cause a bruise or even just to get a lot of salt and dirt on his clothes. This all would be to make it look like the attackers roughed you up and you even got knocked down. So maybe he threw himself down onto a curb or some other thing that could cause a bruise. So maybe he hit his ribcage so hard that it broke a rib. And maybe he really didn't intend to cause that degree of self-injury.

Anyway, I think the report is of a fractured rib and that can even be a tiny hairline fracture. That's not the same as a major break.