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horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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CNN said:
Police are in possession of the rope and the sweater Smollett was wearing on the night of the attack and are testing the substance, according to Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi.

Smollett and his manager, Brandon Moore, told authorities they were speaking on the phone with each other at the time of the attack, police said.

Guglielmi said because of the financial relationship between the two men, they are trying to verify the call took place and have requested phone records or the physical phones used for the call...
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/31/entertainment/jussie-smollett-attack-letter-phone-call/index.html

And then there is that threat letter containing powdered aspirin.
 
xjx388 said:
You don’t have to hand over the phone. Just a screenshot of the web page showing your account activity reflecting the call with your manager would do.

Like, I’m not famous but even if I suspected the local PD would leak my friends numbers, I would probably do at least this to corroborate my story.

If I’m attacked, i want the culprits caught. I will cooperate 100% with anything the cops need from me.

When I don’t...skepticism is warranted.


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Remember, protecting Terrence Howard’s phone number is much more important that solving DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
 
alfaniner said:
There are three possible outcomes from this:

He got attacked and most or all of the story is true. If so, I'll admit that I was wrong.

The story is a lie and it's to cover up something he considers even more embarassing. I that case I will say "Told ya!"

It's actually something no one even thought of.

I'm open to all possibilities. In any case it's unfortunate that he sustained some injuries.
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I'm surprised that you didn't include another which is similar to the bolded one...

The story is a lie and it isn't to cover up anything and he wasn't attacked by anyone anywhere and the injuries are self-inflicted and we just don't really know what the motive would be.
 
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Guglielmi said because of the financial relationship between the two men, they are trying to verify the call took place and have requested phone records or the physical phones used for the call...
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This part has me confused. Why would their financial relation be a cause for examining the phone records? I would think that the reason is to help towards solving an assault investigation. But why does their financial connection have importance?
 
William Parcher said:
I'm surprised that you didn't include another which is similar to the bolded one...



The story is a lie and it isn't to cover up anything and he wasn't attacked by anyone anywhere and the injuries are self-inflicted and we just don't really know what the motive would be.
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As far as motives go, "Orange Man Bad" has a lot of explanatory power in this scenario.
 
William Parcher said:
This part has me confused. Why would their financial relation be a cause for examining the phone records? I would think that the reason is to help towards solving an assault investigation. But why does their financial connection have importance?
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Incentive to lie
 
William Parcher said:
Would that mean that the investigators really have made the switch from Smollett as victim to Smollett as criminal? Search warrants come next?
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No, that would mean that someone with an incentive to lie for someone will not be taken merely on their word.

They said MAGA COUNTRY!
it is true, we were totes talking on the phone and heard it clear as day!
Police: cool, then you will be delighted to turn over your phone to prove it
Oh no, once I called the fresh prince’s uncle and therefore, sorry...
 
Personally never heard of this “celebrity” before this thread appeared but my first thought, when the refusal to turn over his phone (if that is truly the case) was mentioned, was that perhaps there is something in his phone’s history he does not wish to be known that is unrelated to the reported event. Embarrassing photos, texts, emails, web history - things such as that could influence his decision not to allow it to be examined whether this is a hoax or not.
 
Who the hell carries any kind of liquid in sub zero temperatures at 2 in the morning? I can understand a hot beverage or alcohol, but a bleach like substance? Semen can smell like bleach, just saying.
 
William Parcher said:
I read early on that Smollett wasn't cooperating with police in the role of what would be expected for a crime victim. He didn't want to help with the investigation. Then later read that he is cooperating. Maybe at first he didn't want to and then later did.

One example might be that he didn't talk about the MAGA thing with police but only did later after one of his acquaintances talked about it publicly.

A variety of things suggest to me that he never wanted the lie to be known to the police or the public. He did not want to risk being found out that he had lied. He only wanted that guy in the condo to hear the lie. Whatever he had to gain from telling the lie was going to come from that condo guy. If there was to be risk of being discovered as a liar it was going to come from that condo guy. Nobody else.
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Is the condo guy and the "manager" he was on the phone with the same person?
 
Myles said:
Personally never heard of this “celebrity” before this thread appeared but my first thought, when the refusal to turn over his phone (if that is truly the case) was mentioned, was that perhaps there is something in his phone’s history he does not wish to be known that is unrelated to the reported event. Embarrassing photos, texts, emails, web history - things such as that could influence his decision not to allow it to be examined whether this is a hoax or not.
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Agree with this. Those things could be on the phone and I wouldn't want to hand my phone over to police either.
 
"Chicago police also say Jussie Smollett is NOT the target or focus of any criminal investigation, he is the victim. Police have no interest or probable cause to obtain a warrant to search his phone records."

and given the fact that the "victim" refused to cooperate? **** him
 
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Puppycow said:
Is the condo guy and the "manager" he was on the phone with the same person?
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To answer my own question, no. The guy who made the 911 call identified homself as "Frank" and the manager he was on the phone with, who heard the attack happen is named Brandon Z. Moore.

A man who identified himself as "Frank" called 911 around 2:32 a.m. Tuesday from a luxury apartment at 340 East North Water Street. Police arrived about 10 minutes later.
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Smollett’s music manager, Brandon Z. Moore, told Variety today that he was on the phone with Smollett when the actor was attacked. “I heard ‘MAGA country’ clearly,” Moore said. “I heard the scuffle and I heard the racial slur.”

Moore said he gave his account of events to police but he declined to go into details with Variety because the investigation is active.
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xjx388 said:
You don’t have to hand over the phone. Just a screenshot of the web page showing your account activity reflecting the call with your manager would do.

Like, I’m not famous but even if I suspected the local PD would leak my friends numbers, I would probably do at least this to corroborate my story.

If I’m attacked, i want the culprits caught. I will cooperate 100% with anything the cops need from me.

When I don’t...skepticism is warranted.


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I'm having trouble imagining what the phone or call records might provide to investigators that might aid in finding the perpetrators if Smollet is telling the truth. All it would do is confirm that he had a call with his manager and the timing of that call. Both pieces of information that I believe Smollet has testified to. The phone would only be useful evidence as to the truthfulness of his account. If he is telling the truth, the phone won't help find his attackers.
 
Cavemonster said:
I'm having trouble imagining what the phone or call records might provide to investigators that might aid in finding the perpetrators if Smollet is telling the truth. All it would do is confirm that he had a call with his manager and the timing of that call. Both pieces of information that I believe Smollet has testified to. The phone would only be useful evidence as to the truthfulness of his account. If he is telling the truth, the phone won't help find his attackers.
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If.

If he's telling the truth.

Verifying the phone call would be a step towards verifying that there were attackers to find.
 
theprestige said:
I think this is completely reasonable. I also think that Smollett's unverifiable claim about the phone call can't be used to verify Smollett's claim about the attack.
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Verify? No. But while it wouldn't be the first time a manager lied for a client and given the context it would be even more bizarre for both men to be putting their careers at risk for no clear benefit.

The scenarios laid out by skeptic would all be far better served by far simpler lies if lies served them at all. The defense has been that maybe Smollett is just doing crazy things. That his agent would go down with that ship is not impossible, but it makes it more unlikely.

If there was no no call, police will find that out. Two people with a lot to lose is less likely than just one.
 
xjx388 said:
You don’t have to hand over the phone. Just a screenshot of the web page showing your account activity reflecting the call with your manager would do.
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That's why I mentioned the vague reporting. Some of it is that they were asking for his and his managers phones and their phone records.

I don't know that a web page screenshot would actually be enough, but IANAL.

If I’m attacked, i want the culprits caught. I will cooperate 100% with anything the cops need from me.
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That's nice. Or naive. It doesn't change that many people don't react that way.
 
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