horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

[carlitos]

And yet rare events happen. That doesn't really tell us much about whether this one did.

I don't recall saying that it didn't happen? I was responding to another poster who seems to think that we are all getting mugged by white guys all over the place in "urban America."

What on earth is extraordinary about a lone black man being mugged by white guys on the streets of urban America? His producer said "Just another ...'n day in America".*

I ran the crime stats on the Chicago Police website. In a one-mile diameter circle around the address where this happened, there were 2 robberies, 1 aggravated assault and 1 aggravated battery in the 2 weeks prior. This includes the Magnificent Mile shopping district, where is a metric **** ton of foot traffic.

 

[Mike!]

No, it was just assault. Nothing was taken, not even his phone. The attackers didn't even care if he called the police immediately or if he began to film them after the attack.

Which begs the question, why didn't he try and get pictures of his attackers as they fled?

 

[William Parcher]

I read early on that Smollett wasn't cooperating with police in the role of what would be expected for a crime victim. He didn't want to help with the investigation. Then later read that he is cooperating. Maybe at first he didn't want to and then later did.

One example might be that he didn't talk about the MAGA thing with police but only did later after one of his acquaintances talked about it publicly.

A variety of things suggest to me that he never wanted the lie to be known to the police or the public. He did not want to risk being found out that he had lied. He only wanted that guy in the condo to hear the lie. Whatever he had to gain from telling the lie was going to come from that condo guy. If there was to be risk of being discovered as a liar it was going to come from that condo guy. Nobody else.

 

[baron]

Which begs the question, why didn't he try and get pictures of his attackers as they fled?

Or just recorded himself and shown what had happened to him. These celebs don't seem to need an excuse to blog into their phones, but apparently not in this instance.

 

[baron]

I read early on that Smollett wasn't cooperating with police in the role of what would be expected for a crime victim. He didn't want to help with the investigation. Then later read that he is cooperating. Maybe at first he didn't want to and then later did.

One example might be that he didn't talk about the MAGA thing with police but only did later after one of his acquaintances talked about it publicly.

A variety of things suggest to me that he never wanted the lie to be known to the police or the public. He did not want to risk being found out that he had lied. He only wanted that guy in the condo to hear the lie. Whatever he had to gain from telling the lie was going to come from that condo guy. If there was to be risk of being discovered as a liar it was going to come from that condo guy. Nobody else.

That's actually an interesting scenario. After all, if he had wanted to call the police he would have called them directly after he was attacked.

 

[William Parcher]

Any reports of bleach damage to his clothing? That would have made it obvious.

No, but I don't know if his clothing was taken as evidence.

Pure bleach will have a powerful smell and begin to "bleach out" clothing within minutes. Something that will smell like bleach but not quickly effect clothing is chlorinated pool water.

 

[William Parcher]

Which begs the question, why didn't he try and get pictures of his attackers as they fled?

A violent racial and homophobic hatred attack will leave anybody in a state of shock. A form of paralysis. The attackers don't even have to run. The paralysis allows them to walk away.

 

[Distracted1]

No, but I don't know if his clothing was taken as evidence.

Pure bleach will have a powerful smell and begin to "bleach out" clothing within minutes. Something that will smell like bleach but not quickly effect clothing is chlorinated pool water.

Google says household bleach freezes at around 19 degrees F., and freezing accelerates its breakdown/loss of potency.

 

[Mumbles]

As stated, if it had not been for the MAGA country chant, we would not be having this discussion.
And it's not the first time a lot of crap is being promoted under the guise of "Critical Thinking".
And I am going to bell the cat. Most of the supporters here of the SMolett is faking it theory are on the political right.

Really, the actual skeptical position is "the police are investigating, let's wait and see what they find." I don't really trust a PD that very recently conspired to cover up a murder by one of their own, but since we're discussing a celebrity here, I expect they'll be on their best behavior.

Again, my opinion will not change anything, so I'm perfectly happy to say I hope they catch the guys who did this - and change my opinion *if* it turns out to be a hoax. But like Tyr said, "that sounds unlikely to me." is simply not a good reason to think that it's a hoax, and such hoaxes are statistically rare compared to actual hate crimes (same as with rape, robbery, shootings, and every other crime), so may as well play the odds.

It was obvious when talking about Tom Brady's phone, but not now. Odd right?

Eh, it's a thread about a black guy, and as always, some of the participants put their hatred of black people above all else. I know who they are, have known who they are for years, so I've long since stopped reading their racist crap. If they find it implausible that what I said would be a concern, they're just showing who they are, yet again.

 

[dudalb]

That the thing about the Chicago Police Department;it never gets any better, only the scandals they are involved with change. Back in the 1920's practically the wholr force was on Al Capone's payroll.

 

[William Parcher]

Google says household bleach freezes at around 19 degrees F., and freezing accelerates its breakdown/loss of potency.

Ok.

They said the air temperature was around 5F. Body heat might keep the bleach unfrozen when in a pocket or even on clothing. If the bleach was liquid when tossed on his clothes I would expect the clothes to become ruined before the temperature stopped the bleach from doing anything. Plus he's back indoors fairly quickly anyway.

 

[William Parcher]

Which begs the question, why didn't he try and get pictures of his attackers as they fled?

He was still having that conversation with his manager so his phone was in use. The attackers didn't grab it and smash it because of common courtesy. Let the guy just keep talking. We can do the noose and bleach and punches and he can do his phone talking.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Were the two doods in whatever video seen sitting on the bench reading the morning newspaper early edition. How cold was it and what are they doing sitting on that bench? And for how long. I know whenever I mugged someone I always sat on a bench and tried to look casual for a while, but that was in warmer seasons. I think we have a bench-gap that needs to be examined.

(Am I doing it right?)

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

With regards to handing over the phone (the reporting doesn't have a lot of context and sometimes it says phone, sometimes phone records), I've actually thought about similar scenarios rather often. I probably wouldn't just hand it over to CPD. In addition, the majority of hate crimes go unreported. How "compliant" an alleged victim is doesn't seem like a reliable metric to me.

 

[Lambchops]

Google says household bleach freezes at around 19 degrees F., and freezing accelerates its breakdown/loss of potency.

But Google is part of the liberal neo-Marxist conspiracy.

You can't trust Google.

 

[alfaniner]

There are three possible outcomes from this:

He got attacked and most or all of the story is true. If so, I'll admit that I was wrong.

The story is a lie and it's to cover up something he considers even more embarassing. I that case I will say "Told ya!"

It's actually something no one even thought of.

I'm open to all possibilities. In any case it's unfortunate that he sustained some injuries.

 

[theprestige]

With the lack of photographic evidence, I think it's obvious at this point, he was attacked by a bigfoot. Actually, I guess it was two bigfoot. What's the plural of bigfoot? Bigfeet?

Proudfoots

 

[The Big Dog]

Oh baby, you knew it was coming. Chicago police bad! Going back to the 1920s even

Here is the Chicago police superintendent

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_T._Johnson

Uh oh, black superintendent!

But maybe the state’s attorney hates the black!

Uh oh.

Grifters gonna grift

 

[xjx388]

With regards to handing over the phone (the reporting doesn't have a lot of context and sometimes it says phone, sometimes phone records), I've actually thought about similar scenarios rather often. I probably wouldn't just hand it over to CPD. In addition, the majority of hate crimes go unreported. How "compliant" an alleged victim is doesn't seem like a reliable metric to me.

You don’t have to hand over the phone. Just a screenshot of the web page showing your account activity reflecting the call with your manager would do.

Like, I’m not famous but even if I suspected the local PD would leak my friends numbers, I would probably do at least this to corroborate my story.

If I’m attacked, i want the culprits caught. I will cooperate 100% with anything the cops need from me.

When I don’t...skepticism is warranted.


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[theprestige]

I'm thinking Condo Guy is a whistleblower. Had enough of Smollett's habitual fabulism, and decides enough is enough. Calls his bluff, and calls the cops.