Howard Schultz Threatens 3rd Party Run

 
There is no way I'm going to vote for a man who makes a cup of coffee that costs more than a gallon of gasoline, and tastes as bad.
 
dudalb said:
He should stick to selling Coffee.
I admit, right now I have a deep prejudice against ANY wealthy businessman with no experience in politics or government becoming President;look at how it has turned out...
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Coffee vs Covfefe might be an interesting race.

As for local sports tycoons, I'd sooner vote for Paul Allen. He's dead, but I won't hold that against him.

ETA: In all seriousness, I can't imagine a more horrifying possibility than Schultz against Trump.
 
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There seems to be no shortage of wealthy people who think, “Hey, what we really need is a third party candidate who is willing to look past the things that divide us like abortion, immigration, and gun control, and focus on the things that all Americans agree on, like slashing Social Security and using the money to lower tax rates on ordinary Americans making over $500k a year…”
 
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There seems to be no shortage of wealthy people who think, “Hey, what we really need is a third party candidate who is willing to look past the things that divide us like abortion, immigration, and gun control, and focus on the things that all Americans agree on, like slashing Social Security and using the money to lower tax rates on ordinary Americans making over $500k a year…”
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It's almost like a party that serves that constituency already exists.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
This thread should be renamed to "Howard Schultz devotes his life to re-electing Trump".
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How so? From what I can see his draw would be primarily among moderate Republicans and disaffected Republicans now claiming to be Independents (or Democrats), and they really don't seem to make up any significant fraction of potential Democratic voters or those inclined to vote Democratic. Sounds like more of an Independent spoiler for the GOP (or at least the GOP that used to be, they've pretty much become their own spoiler since Trump carjacked them - what is their percentage of the electorate down to now 26-27% of the electorate?), a 2020 Ross Perot.
 
mgidm86 said:
Poorly.
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...and yet, most of their health outcomes and popular satisfaction ratings are much higher than the equivalent US outcomes despite our greatly inflated prices,...I guess you could be referring to US healthcare investor returns?
 
Trebuchet said:
...ETA: In all seriousness, I can't imagine a more horrifying possibility than Schultz against Trump.
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Should make it easier for the Progressive candidate to excel, provided we actually get a Progressive candidate option for once.
 
Trebuchet said:
To expand on the pariah part, he bought the SuperSonics basketball team not long after they'd had the Seattle Center Colosseum remodeled to their exact specs, which not incidentally made it unsuitable for the NHL, then complained about the arena and wanted the taxpayers to improve it for him again. When turned down he sold the team to some guys form Oklahoma who never had the slightest intention of doing anything but move it. He then claimed to be surprised they moved it; that he never thought they would do such a thing. If true, he's the only person in the state who thought that. He's either stupid or a liar.
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Something you'll never get forgiven for is screwing with a sports fan's team. Screw their partner and you've a chance of recovery, but heaven help you if you mess with their team.
 
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Trakar said:
Yeah , they used to be called moderate Republicans, before they suffered a major, near extinction level, event.
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Pre-1980. The comets came from the Goldwater Galaxy in 1964 (earth time). The first hit when the actual people behind Reagan (not Reagan himself) were left with the GOP and sold all principals to getting re-elected, first by endorsing the Southern Strategy and subsequently by caving to two separate but not necessarily exclusive wings.... the Fundies and the Tea Party.

Comet Trump landed in RNC HQ the day after the election in '16 but it was a fifty year journey from the Goldwater Galaxy.
 
mgidm86 said:
Poorly.
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Perhaps you need to check your facts.

In a 2014 survey, the US Health System came last of 11 OECD countries, behind the UK, Switzerland, Sweden Australia, Germany, The Netherlands, Norway, New Zealand, France and Canada.

Looking at Survival Rates is a bit tricky because the dates are all over the place, but the only one where the US is at the top is Breast Cancer survival. For Cardiac Disease they are well behind Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, and Poland, and just ahead of Canada.

Overall life expectancy, the US is ranked at 31st, below Japan, Switzerland, Australia, Sweden, France, The Netherlands, Norway, New Zealand, the UK, Germany, and Denmark. In fact they are only just above Cuba, a county that has been locked in the 1960's for nearly 60 years.

Even in Patient satisfaction the US comes in at #4, beaten by Sweden, Finland, and Norway. (though this paper by WHO, and this one from The Commonwealth Fund, shows why Patient Satisfaction isn't a totally useful measure.)

In this Feb 2018, Business Insider list of 19 countries with the best healthcare, the US didn't even make the list!

So yeah, for a Country that spends double the amount on their healthcare than any of those that have a Government run public system for everyone (be that a Government single payer, or a Government run Insurance Scheme, or a Government Funded, Privately run Insurance scheme) your healthcare is quite poor indeed, and from my own personal experience of the US System vs ours here in NZ, I'm sticking with ours (and my wife, who is an American, has come to agree with that over her 10 years here.)
 
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Pope130 said:
There is no way I'm going to vote for a man who makes a cup of coffee that costs more than a gallon of gasoline, and tastes as bad.
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Glad to hear I'm not the only one who refuses to shell out $3.00+ for a simple cup of coffee that tastes burned.
 
Stacko said:
It's almost like a party that serves that constituency already exists.
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Trakar said:
How so? From what I can see his draw would be primarily among moderate Republicans and disaffected Republicans now claiming to be Independents (or Democrats), and they really don't seem to make up any significant fraction of potential Democratic voters or those inclined to vote Democratic. Sounds like more of an Independent spoiler for the GOP (or at least the GOP that used to be, they've pretty much become their own spoiler since Trump carjacked them - what is their percentage of the electorate down to now 26-27% of the electorate?), a 2020 Ross Perot.
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Hmm. OK. I may have assumed too much from limited knowledge of him.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Why can't rich people just be content to live in luxury and enjoy their wealth? Why must so many of them decide to pursue power as well? If I were a billionaire I'd be living it up, not trying to acquire enormous responsibilities!
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Rich people, and others, need to stop thinking of Political positions as positions of power, and regard them as they are meant to be, positions of public service, positions where those that fill them can give back to the society that has given to them.

JFK had it perfectly right in his inauguration speech...

 
Foolmewunz said:
I'd normally say he's a threat to Trump, but he's only a recent convert to "Independent" and that's a pretty hard sell to the modern GOPer.
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Some modern GOPers only voted for Trump because Clinton was literally the worst person imaginable to them. I have a feeling a couple of the resident conservatives here fall into that camp.

So, I dunno.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Why can't rich people just be content to live in luxury and enjoy their wealth? Why must so many of them decide to pursue power as well? If I were a billionaire I'd be living it up, not trying to acquire enormous responsibilities!
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Money has no function besides power after a certain point.

I don't think hardly anyone makes it to billionaire status without being a power junkie beforehand.
 
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