Howard Schultz Threatens 3rd Party Run

I've read some more about the guy, apparently he's a real cheapskate. Gave his sports team employees Starbucks gift cards one year. Each card was worth $3.50. Worst part about that: you can't get normal gift cards at Starbucks for less than $5. He had them made especially for that time. He needed to save the buck-fifty.

Sounds quite a lot like Trump, really, in how he treats the little people.
 
Stacko said:
There's probably a non-zero contingent supporting him because they confused him with Charles Schulz.
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Don't underestimate the power of misidentification. A disturbing number of people voted for Trump because they mistook him for a successful businessman.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Don't underestimate the power of misidentification. A disturbing number of people voted for Trump because they mistook him for a successful businessman.
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That, or they thought they were voting for Trumpy, the whimsical alien from beloved MST3K feature 'The Pod People'. Trumpy, fans will recall, could 'do stupid things'.
 
New 538 article:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...-conservative-voters-preferred-trump-in-2016/

Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative Voters Preferred Trump In 2016
So why does everyone seem so sure that a Howard Schultz candidacy would help the president win re-election?
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What we can do, however, is look back to 2016, when voters who are socially liberal but fiscally conservative also had to choose a presidential candidate.

Who did these voters, who are somewhere around 15 percent of the electorate, go for in 2016? The answer is complicated because it depends on which social and economic issues you look at: racial attitudes were more determinative of their presidential vote than views on gay marriage, for example. But according to the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, a comprehensive survey of more than 60,000 voters organized by Harvard University and conducted by YouGov, these voters were slightly more likely to vote for Trump than Hillary Clinton.
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But the headline is that, when choosing between the major-party candidates, these voters were more likely to go for Trump than Clinton. Among the 25 combinations of socially liberal and fiscally conservative views, Trump won the most votes 19 times, Clinton did so five times, and there was one draw. And on average between the 25 combinations, Trump won 52 percent of the vote to Clinton’s 40 percent. That’s not a huge margin: a 12-point edge among 16 percent of the electorate. But it adds up to enough voters that, if all of them had gone for a third party instead, Clinton would have won Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida, and therefore the Electoral College.
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For instance, among all voters who wanted to cut entitlement programs to balance the budget, Trump won 70-24.
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Among the 25 pairings testing a fiscal issue against a social issue, the fiscal issue “won” (was more influential) 15 times and the social issue won 10 times in the basic version of the model.
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But again, my goal here is not necessarily to convince you that a Schultz candidacy would certainly hurt Trump. Rather, it’s to discourage you from giving too much credit to the conventional wisdom, which asserts without much evidence that the opposite is true.
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Stacko said:

He's brought the country together in a way.
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Also from the article:

The poll also found that in almost all cases, Schultz would take away votes from a Democratic nominee.

The poll found that, in a hypothetical match-up, Schultz's presence in the 2020 presidential race would take “an average of four points away from what the Democratic candidate receives in a two-way race, while taking just 1 [percent] away from Donald Trump.”
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varwoche said:
What unicorn candidate do you prefer?
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Teddy Roosevelt circa 1910-1919 with a 2.0 upgrade to update his perspective and integrate the national and global occurrences of the last century,...as that unicorn doesn't appear stage-ready (you did request my preference), I'm uncertain at this time. I'm not comfortable with, or excited about, any of the announced Democratic, Republican or Independent candidates.


I don't know much about the following candidates, but am interested in investigating them further to see if they have policy positions and a history of fighting for them which could lead to my support for them:

Pete Buttigieg mayor of South Bend
https://www.peteforamerica.com/meet-pete/

Andrew Yang
https://www.yang2020.com/policies/

So far, that's about as far as my "unknown" candidates list has gotten, but I'm open to consideration of others (Republican, Independent, or Democratic) so long as I am convinced that they offer an evidence-based policy agenda towards a Progressive future in America.

As for the announced candidates who I feel I know enough about to offer tentative support at this time that would be pretty much limited to Tulsi Gabbard and Elizabeth Warren (so far), both of whom I have more than a few reservations concerning. That said, I would probably be able to do a nose-hold and vote for either with what I know about them right now, if it came down to that. If Sanders throws his hat in the ring, he would probably be a front-runner on my list, but he also has problems to overcome before I could enthusiastically support him. I'm still exploring the field, and if anyone has any suggestions, please let me know, I try to stay open at this point in such races. I'm primarily policy driven when it comes to how I exercise my votes for legislative representation and executive sponsorship.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Can anyone find a person-with-name-recognition outside of Schultz' family that supports his run?
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Nobody, and that is another bad sign;if he had any momentum he would have has at least a few celebs jumping on his band wagon by now.
I now think he will get zero traction and will not be a factor in the election, even if he gets on the ballot. And I think a lot of people have a basis mistrust of ANY Billionaire without any political or government experience running for President after the Trump experience.
 
If you want a example of "Glittering Generalaties" Schultz certainly gave it at his CNN Town Meeting last night. It was almost like a parody of the politician who dodged every tough question .
 
dudalb said:
If you want a example of "Glittering Generalaties" Schultz certainly gave it at his CNN Town Meeting last night. It was almost like a parody of the politician who dodged every tough question .
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Almost like a parody, but actually not.

The one thing that's fun to do when listening to a politician answer questions is to see how adept they are at diverting away from the question onto some other topic.

Bonus points if they're doing it in a formal setting where they're supposed to be forthrightly answering the question as asked.
 
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