Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

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Dave Rogers said:
As Zooterkin says, not doing anything = leave with no deal, and Parliament is very strongly opposed to doing that. Logically this is trivial. Leave and not-leave are logical complements; within the leave subset, deal and no deal are logical complements.

And, as usual, you're trying to derail the discussion by arguing in favour of a point of view you don't actually agree with, then pretending it's everybody else's problem that they thought you were being honest.

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You are not going to convince people who disagree with you by arguing with them from your point of view. You have to argue from a point of view you don't actually agree with
 
Castro said:
Yes, it seems logical. But, for some reason, it looks like the elephant in the room Parliament of Great Britain. It's puzzling.
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It's less puzzling when you realise that the priorities for about 3/4ths of the house are, in order of priority, as follows:

1 - Self
2 - Party
3 - Mates/hangers on/those to whom one has a commitment
4 - Country.

(2 & 3 may be the other way around for some)

Add into that the fact that, when this is all finally over, one way or another, an awful lot of political careers will terminate, not least Theresa's.

In order that nothing change, inaction is the order of the day.
 
Dr. Keith said:
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
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I'm not saying otherwise. The choice was made 2 years ago, when Article 50 was invoked. Action is needed to get a different result (a deal, or no Brexit). BobTheCoward seemed to be suggesting that inaction was a separate possibility, which it is not.
 
Ethan Thane Athen said:
They want this magic deal where they don't belong to the EU but still have all the benefits (until they can get even better ones) but none of the responsibility.

Failing that, a return to the days of empire would be good...

What's really frustrating is that the leavers who were sold a lie (as opposed to those that are just idiots who think leaving will magically turn the clock back to before we joined - forgetting things were a bit rubbish even then) still want to leave, even with no deal, because it's all so much fuss and nonsense they just (magic thinking again) want it all over so we can get back to being 'great'. And worse, a fair few remainers don't want another referendum because they are resigned to 'we lost and I'm sick of it, let's just get it done now'.

It's why you don't have referendums on important matters that are complicated - because the majority of people will not spend the time necessary to understand the implications. They will just vote with gut instinct or whatever fantasy story sounded good to them.
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Brittania will rule the seas again. :thumbsup:
 
On BBC London News earlier, when asked about EU-origin Wetherspoons staff, pro-Leave cockwomble Tim Martin claimed to want to retain them and that they should get UK residency, but seemed remarkably clueless about how that was working out for them. If the **** really cared, someone in his company should have been taking care of that sort of thing. But, of course, he doesn't. The ****.
 
The MPs are just treading water, because no one knows what to do and their is no leadership.
 
BobTheCoward said:
In those cases, the person making the choice does not feel abused. In the situation here, the abuser is asking the victim to stick it out with them for lack of a better option. That is continuing the abusive behavior.
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In what way has the EU abused the UK. As far as I can see, they've always been completely honest with us about the possibilities for Brexit. That's more than I can say for my own government.
 
BobTheCoward said:
In those cases, the person making the choice does not feel abused. In the situation here, the abuser is asking the victim to stick it out with them for lack of a better option. That is continuing the abusive behavior.
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Except... there is no abuser... without that your argument just falls apart.
 
I wonder who the 4 missing Tories are, since the DUP voted with her and she recieved support from at least two independent MP's?
 
Now we may as well be back at square 1 and apart from avoiding leaving with no deal, we have no consensus.
 
Amazer said:
Except... there is no abuser... without that your argument just falls apart.
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I never said there was an abuser. I don't think there is one. However, clearing a deadlock may involve convincing politicians that think the UK is abused by the EU to your side. That isn't going to be done by trying to convince them they are not abused.
 
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