Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

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And the Grieve amendment has now passed.

Rumours abound that the Tories are circulating a motion of no confidence in the Speaker.
 
KDLarsen said:
On a slightly related note, some of the hardcore Brexiteer Tories are having absolute kittens at the moment, since Speaker Bercow has selected an amendment by Dominic Grieve to be heard, which states that the House of Commons will decide on a Plan B if/when the May deal is defeated. Their agument being that the Speaker has no right to select a motion that hasn't been put forward by a member of the government. Bercow's reply is that that particular rule doesn't apply to amendments.

I have the live stream of Parliament running in the background, and a few minutes ago Reesy-Moggy was discussing the definition of 'forthwith'.

Thumbs up to Ken Clarke, who pointed out the absurd in members of the House actively advocating having powers taken away from them, and suggested that some of them may wish to don a yellow jacket and join the protesters outside.
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Fantastic stuff really isn't it? And the government lose another vote. Absolute omnishambles.
 
Parliamentary procedure being what it is, I am far from an expert, but my understanding from reading a few commentaries is that the decision to allow a vote on an amendment from a backbencher to the motion could be very significant.

The narrative seems to be that such amendments have not been allowed in the past, under any circumstances, and the decision to allow this one could have much wider effects.

I honestly have no idea whether it's a good thing or not - there are all sorts of implications that I don't understand - but it is being judged as having a much wider impact than just this single vote.
 
So, if Britain crashes out of Europe, who's moving to Scotland to wait for the inevitable independence vote? It's certainly looking an increasingly attractive option to me.
 
I think it's really important that we remember the cheating that happened by Banks and co during the campaign.


Those who want to destroy my country keep talking as if the vote was legitimate. It annoys me when the journalists they are talking to don't point out that the referendum was neither legitimate nor binding.

Here's the latest news on Banks, a man I will make every effort to keep uppermost in peoples minds when they think of Brexit.



https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/br...ron-banks-brexit-campaign-had-more-meetings-w




But emails obtained by openDemocracy suggest that Banks’s Brexit campaign had additional meetings with the controversial data analytics firm, which they did not disclose either to parliament or to the information regulator, and in which they discussed in detail how to target British voters.
 
Ian Osborne said:
So, if Britain crashes out of Europe, who's moving to Scotland to wait for the inevitable independence vote? It's certainly looking an increasingly attractive option to me.
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Well, moving back's a bit inconvenient right now, and I don't want to break up the UK any more than I want to leave the EU, but if both splits happen I'll make sure to get my Scottish passport as soon as they're available.
 
KDLarsen said:
On a slightly related note, some of the hardcore Brexiteer Tories are having absolute kittens at the moment, since Speaker Bercow has selected an amendment by Dominic Grieve to be heard, which states that the House of Commons will decide on a Plan B if/when the May deal is defeated. Their agument being that the Speaker has no right to select a motion that hasn't been put forward by a member of the government. Bercow's reply is that that particular rule doesn't apply to amendments.

I have the live stream of Parliament running in the background, and a few minutes ago Reesy-Moggy was discussing the definition of 'forthwith'.

Thumbs up to Ken Clarke, who pointed out the absurd in members of the House actively advocating having powers taken away from them, and suggested that some of them may wish to don a yellow jacket and join the protesters outside.
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And the amendment just passed, so if/when May's plan gets defeated in the Commons she will only have 3 Days to present 'Plan B'.
 
Garrison said:
And the amendment just passed, so if/when May's plan gets defeated in the Commons she will only have 3 Days to present 'Plan B'.
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This is what one of my facebook friends produced as an analysis of Plan B.

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I did criticise it as being a bit too coherent.
 
Ian Osborne said:
So, if Britain crashes out of Europe, who's moving to Scotland to wait for the inevitable independence vote? It's certainly looking an increasingly attractive option to me.
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I'm happy with that as long as English migrants to Scotland intend to vote Yes in the next Indyref. What did most of them do last time?
 
Worm said:
Parliamentary procedure being what it is, I am far from an expert, but my understanding from reading a few commentaries is that the decision to allow a vote on an amendment from a backbencher to the motion could be very significant.

The narrative seems to be that such amendments have not been allowed in the past, under any circumstances, and the decision to allow this one could have much wider effects.

I honestly have no idea whether it's a good thing or not - there are all sorts of implications that I don't understand - but it is being judged as having a much wider impact than just this single vote.
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I don't know what the fuss is about as the UK does not have a written constitution for the reason it should be flexible. There doesn't have to be a 'precedent'.

No more Oliver Cromwells or Charles I's. May has steamrolled ahead trying to disregard the rule of parliament at every step of the way. It is correct that she is reined in by the democratic process she has tried to circumvent.
 
RolandRat said:
Jeremy Clarkson sums up Leave voters (when asked if he feels responsible for anti-immigration feelings in the UK):

“I don’t know how I’ve done that, I’ve described myself as pro-European for about 30 years,” said Clarkson. “I feel European, when I go to America and people ask where I from I say I’m from Europe. So I’m not sure how I contributed to a few coffin-dodgers in Barnsley deciding that they don’t want to live next to a Syrian.”


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...ousand-times-worse/ar-BBRXKH1?ocid=spartandhp
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He was vocally remain, and to be honest in his shows whenever he travels in Europe he shows a lot of appreciation and respect for the countries and cultures (and their cuisine, especially their cuisine).
 
jimbob said:
Given how lame their preparations are - it would be good to show that there's not even a cosmetic attempt.

I still can't believe it when a minister comes on the radio and says that it's responsible to prepare for no deal as though extending A50 until there's clarity is unthinkable. It's the simplest approach.
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Don't the anti tax dodging regulations come in a couple of days after we're due to leave? Now I'm not saying that's why the likes of R-M are so eager to crash out, but would you bet against it?
 
Ian Osborne said:
So, if Britain crashes out of Europe, who's moving to Scotland to wait for the inevitable independence vote? It's certainly looking an increasingly attractive option to me.
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That was my plan, but apparently it was a common one and the missus (who's been keeping an eye on such things) tells me that house prices are rising. Whether it's coincidence, remainers or rich-ish Brexiters who can't afford right of residence in Paris with Leon Britton and have decided to stay close enough to keep an eye on their fire-sale purchases, I don't know.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
I mean apparently it's fine to ask the same question again and again in a vote if you don't get the answer you want....
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No, no, no, you've missed the point. It's OK not to have a vote at all if you don't think you're going to get the answer you want, and anyone demanding the vote is acting against democracy.

Shame nobody told Cameron that...

Dave
 
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