Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...reated-the-uk-opened-my-eyes-bolsovers-brexit

A great article showcasing what often motivates brexiters and leads to large pro brexit majorities. This part also showcases how "less immigrants" won't necessarily be great for British people doing simple manual labour jobs:

Foreseeing a recruitment problem when the ready supply of young eastern Europeans is cut off, Sports Direct has been investing in some “partial automation for the Shirebrook warehouse operations” on internet fulfilment orders. This, according to the annual report, should “mitigate any potential staffing shortfall after Brexit”. We often hear that no one voted to be made poorer. They probably didn’t vote to lose their jobs to a robot either.
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What's more likely: that businesses increase wages sufficiently that back-breaking jobs like gathering produce with ones own hands becomes a desirable occupation, or that they buy robots to do it instead?
 
Jeremy Clarkson sums up Leave voters (when asked if he feels responsible for anti-immigration feelings in the UK):

“I don’t know how I’ve done that, I’ve described myself as pro-European for about 30 years,” said Clarkson. “I feel European, when I go to America and people ask where I from I say I’m from Europe. So I’m not sure how I contributed to a few coffin-dodgers in Barnsley deciding that they don’t want to live next to a Syrian.”


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...ousand-times-worse/ar-BBRXKH1?ocid=spartandhp
 
Aber said:
Which is why any serious contract has a clause specifically disapplying this. :rolleyes:
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Let's hope Seaborne has something at the bottom saying, 'We were only jesting when we mentioned pizzas and for you to check your meal on delivery, or we cannot be responsible. Get your freight shipped to Europe here.'
 
Garrison said:
And yet more trouble for the PM as MPs pass an amendment to the Finance Bill to block the government from preparing a 'No Deal' Brexit:

Brexit: MPs defeat government over no-deal preparations

Essentially its an attempt to ramp up the pressure on May and force her to at the very least suspend Article 50.
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Given how lame their preparations are - it would be good to show that there's not even a cosmetic attempt.

I still can't believe it when a minister comes on the radio and says that it's responsible to prepare for no deal as though extending A50 until there's clarity is unthinkable. It's the simplest approach.
 
jimbob said:
And some serious analysis demonstrating how lame this Ptomekin traffic jam was in context, from the same thread.
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So assuming a cursory check takes four minutes and a more detailed one ten minutes with an average daily volume of 11,600 vehicles, that would mean:
1. Five-sixths of vehicles are waved through with no checks. or
2. Less than five percent receive either check and around 91.5% are waved though unchecked.
 
Again from badscience:

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Backstep said:
Cooper's amendment's been passed. Limits treasury powers in the event of no deal. This could be death by a thousand cuts, clever stuff.
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Doesn't matter, David Davis has spoken and has confirmed that the EU27 is definitely on the verge of backing down any minute now and giving us 350 million rainbow-******** unicorns a week, so it doesn't get anymore certain than that.

I only wish David Davis had been Brexit Secretary during the negotiations rather than whatever milquetoast closet remoaner they clearly had there instead. He'd have made Johnny Foreigner cry uncle on the first day I bet.

Sadly it is now just one of the great what-ifs ... :(
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ETA: the swear filter over there is optional.
 
I would have thought that at this point the party in power (which ever it may be), would have comprehensively shown how useless it is at dealing with the day to day stuff,
It should have flipped already.
 
Information Analyst said:
I think it boils down to: "We trust Europeans more than robots, and robots more than Brits..."
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A lot of the rural jobs are in areas where there isn't really a job shortage.
So the only "Brit" option would be to bring people in in any case. And, especially with the new one-size-fits-all benefits system coming in, that really doesn't work.

Our systems don't really handle home-grown, part time, migrant labour terribly well.
 
Vixen said:
Let's hope Seaborne has something at the bottom saying, 'We were only jesting when we mentioned pizzas and for you to check your meal on delivery, or we cannot be responsible. Get your freight shipped to Europe here.'
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If your container is more than 30 days late, you get a pound off.
 
jimbob said:
Given how lame their preparations are - it would be good to show that there's not even a cosmetic attempt.

I still can't believe it when a minister comes on the radio and says that it's responsible to prepare for no deal as though extending A50 until there's clarity is unthinkable. It's the simplest approach.
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Can it be extended though? It would seem to need approval of the EU and they seem to be pretty close to saying accept this deal or not.

Crashing out has seemed the most likely for a long time as it does not require any group to pass anything.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Can it be extended though? It would seem to need approval of the EU and they seem to be pretty close to saying accept this deal or not.

Crashing out has seemed the most likely for a long time as it does not require any group to pass anything.
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I dont think it can be extended in the way that some seem to think - i.e. we can demand an extra 3 months to prepare for no deal.

It seems the EU would be willing to grant an extension if there was a significant change in circumstances - e.g. a general election or a 2nd vote - but not just to by time for renegotiating.

Of course it can be unilaterally revoked at any time.

TM has stated categorically she won't revoke or extend A50 so that's as clear a sign as any that she will do it sometime in the next 2 weeks given her track record!!
 
On a slightly related note, some of the hardcore Brexiteer Tories are having absolute kittens at the moment, since Speaker Bercow has selected an amendment by Dominic Grieve to be heard, which states that the House of Commons will decide on a Plan B if/when the May deal is defeated. Their agument being that the Speaker has no right to select a motion that hasn't been put forward by a member of the government. Bercow's reply is that that particular rule doesn't apply to amendments.

I have the live stream of Parliament running in the background, and a few minutes ago Reesy-Moggy was discussing the definition of 'forthwith'.

Thumbs up to Ken Clarke, who pointed out the absurd in members of the House actively advocating having powers taken away from them, and suggested that some of them may wish to don a yellow jacket and join the protesters outside.
 
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Tolls said:
A lot of the rural jobs are in areas where there isn't really a job shortage.
So the only "Brit" option would be to bring people in in any case. And, especially with the new one-size-fits-all benefits system coming in, that really doesn't work.

Our systems don't really handle home-grown, part time, migrant labour terribly well.
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True, although I don't think Sports Direct counts as "rural."
 
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