Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[Hans]

Yep markie keeps telling us its actually happened but we cannot 'ride it yet', but this is what the situation actually is:

 

[markie]

You're stepping over the elephant in the room in that the the Rydberg formula was derived from observation, but didn't explain *why* the formula works. Quantum physics provides the *why* and also invalidates your assertion.

I don't see quantum physics explaining 'why' the Rydberg equation works. Heck the interpretation of the Schrodinger equation itself was up for debate and so it was clearly in no position to explain much of anything. Rather, it is by using good old classical physics as applied to the Bohr model, with certain assumptions, that one can ultimately arrive at the Rydberg equation. In contrast, the Schrodinger equation was predesigned to arrive at the Rydberg equation when it is conveniently fitted with integers. But that can hardly be described as a physical explanation or an answer to the 'why'.

In a nutshell, Bohr, Schrodinger and Mills arrive at the Rydberg equation via different means. But with Mills' way it is done self consistently and it gets other things correct at the same time. The same cannot be said for the Bohr or Schrodinger approach.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

The environments where hydrino has been made have ranged over the years from aqueous solution to gas phase to thin plasma to molten salts to solid powder and now to a blazing hot plasma furnace, the SunCell. I wouldn't stick my hand in there, let alone breathe it in, no sir.

And yet nobody else can get it to work at all.

 

[LTC8K6]

Dihydrino will be safe and inert. Hydrino hydride compounds will be more stable than the normal hydrogen counterpart.
The environments where hydrino has been made have ranged over the years from aqueous solution to gas phase to thin plasma to molten salts to solid powder and now to a blazing hot plasma furnace, the SunCell.

And still no other scientists have noticed or bothered?

In three decades at least?

Come on, man!

 

[JeanTate]

As of today, we have to wait a mere 26 (56) (-6) days before the world has concrete, independent, evidence of the existence of a hydrino-powered generator. So sayeth markie and tlp/Holvestott.

Something of interest, particularly wrt whether Mills has a history of lying (source; this is cited in a post early in the 2017 thread, my hilite):

"In the January 1992 issue of Fusion Facts Dr. Randell L. Mills was named as a Fusion Scientist of the Year 1991. Here is a quote from the article: "On April 26, 1989, Dr. Mills had filed a patent for 'Energy/Matter Conversion Methods and Structures.' Dr. Mills states, '...we scaled it up greater than a factor of a thousand and we have right now a cell running that is a commercial demonstration of this technology. We're pushing right now ... we have a contract we're pursuing that will give us a one kilowatt -- a one thousand watt home heating unit within four months. We have the electrochemical power cell -- it is running. It has the capacity of putting out a thousand watts. And we are waiting for the heat exchanger unit to interface with that [power cell] and we will have a prototype of a home heating unit.'""

So, in a bit over three months' time, it will be the 30th anniversary of Mills' claim to already have "a commercial demonstration of this technology" (or at least the filing of a patent central to that demonstration).

As of today, we have to wait a mere 25 (55) (-7) days before the world has concrete, independent, evidence of the existence of a hydrino-powered generator. So sayeth markie and tlp/Holvestott.

Reminder, here's markie, on 27th May 2018, 04:10 AM:

"February 26 2019 is still on my calendar as the date by which Mills will have demonstrated a closed Suncell prototype showing excess energy generation for a reasonable amount of time. Given the substantive direction changes in the design I'm not as confident as before that my timeline will be met. But in the end it will be worth it.

Mills has achieved excess energy - sometimes for months - with earlier cells over the last 20 years, but bluntly put they were not good enough for the marketplace."

I haven't yet found the first markie statement on when we will reach Nirvana (I'm still looking), but this, by markie, on 12th May 2018, 04:22 PM, is interesting:

"MS [michaelsuede] describing that apparatus as a fully working prototype is not my idea of a fully working prototype. When the system is closed and operating at reasonable high power for a reasonably long power of time, then I might call it a working prototype."

 

[JeanTate]

Dihydrino will be safe and inert. Hydrino hydride compounds will be more stable than the normal hydrogen counterpart.The environments where hydrino has been made have ranged over the years from aqueous solution to gas phase to thin plasma to molten salts to solid powder and now to a blazing hot plasma furnace, the SunCell. I wouldn't stick my hand in there, let alone breathe it in, no sir.

My hilite.

They'd better be ... there are plenty of rather, er, explosive compounds containing hydrogen, like C₅H₈N₄O₁₂ (a.k.a. PETN). I wonder how Mills prevents hydrino versions of such compounds from forming?

 

[Blue Mountain]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, bur as far as I know over the last century we've almost perfectly modeled the hydrogen atom. We can map and explain its quantum states in exquisite detail, with our observations and mathematics meshing with accuracies going out to several decimal places.

Mills is claiming to have discovered a state that to now is completely unknown to all particle researchers. But instead of winning a Nobel Prize and sending science off on a grand new voyage of discovery similar to the ones that happened with quantum mechanics and relativity, it's all simply ignored.

The strong implication is that Mills is sharing the same field as everyone else who claims to have "proven Einstein (or Schrödinger) wrong." The Large Hadron Collider is working very well using our existing theoretical model while completely ignoring the GUTCP.

 

[JeanTate]

You expect me to believe that in 30 years no other scientist has noticed these hydrinos?

No group outside of Mills and company has noticed hydrinos in the 30 years since Mills said they exist?

All over the world, no one else has found hydrinos except Mills and his associates?

That's just not believable at all, Markie.

If hydrinos exist then they are affecting things in the real world, and they would be noticed by scientists.

Well, hydrinos leaking from the BLP site in southern NJ have turned up in many Princeton University labs, though no scientist in any such lab has noticed yet.

Hydrinos are dark matter, and no scientist has found any here on Earth yet.

Hydrinos explain something do to with lightning, but no scientist has discovered that yet.

Hydrinos are produced in vast quantities in natural processes (per tlp), yet no scientist has identified any (processes, hydrinos) so far.

Hydrinos power the solar corona, a fact which no astronomer has discovered yet.

And so on.

 

[Hellbound]

Someone put hydrinos in my corn flakes.

 

[LTC8K6]

Someone put hydrinos in my corn flakes.

At least you have some actual data then...

Do they taste good?

 

[HappySkeptic99]

I don't see quantum physics explaining 'why' the Rydberg equation works. Heck the interpretation of the Schrodinger equation itself was up for debate and so it was clearly in no position to explain much of anything. Rather, it is by using good old classical physics as applied to the Bohr model, with certain assumptions, that one can ultimately arrive at the Rydberg equation. In contrast, the Schrodinger equation was predesigned to arrive at the Rydberg equation when it is conveniently fitted with integers. But that can hardly be described as a physical explanation or an answer to the 'why'.

In a nutshell, Bohr, Schrodinger and Mills arrive at the Rydberg equation via different means. But with Mills' way it is done self consistently and it gets other things correct at the same time. The same cannot be said for the Bohr or Schrodinger approach.

Give us a break, Markie. You don't understand QM beyond the BLP talking points.

Have you solved QM in real-world situations? I have. It works. Yes, accurate answers are difficult, because most real-world situations are not solvable analytically without approximations (but those approximations are extremely valuable -- often they are enough), but numerical methods can improve things. While Mills is still battling the wars of the early days of QM, the rest of the world has moved on, with every solid-state and device in existence relying on the Schrodinger equation.

 

[Hans]

While Mills is still battling the wars of the early days of QM, the rest of the world has moved on, with every solid-state and device in existence relying on the Schrodinger equation.

For us non-technical people I thank you for mentioning that! Very interesting, so Mills is not only wrong he's also out of date - left in the dust in a fast moving field?

For the non-techies here is that equation:

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SchroedingerEquation.html

 

[markie]

And still no other scientists have noticed or bothered?

In three decades at least?

Come on, man!

Well some scientists have noticed and bothered, like the validators and the coauthors of the dozens of published papers through the years. Then there is a smaller number who have opposed Mills work, like Rathke, Phelps and Sundholm. The vast majority remain unaware or are content with a wait and see attitude.

 

[Dave Rogers]

The vast majority remain unaware or are content with a wait and see attitude.

Or, as it's been for the last 30 years, wait and don't see.

Dave

 

[markie]

Give us a break, Markie. You don't understand QM beyond the BLP talking points.

Have you solved QM in real-world situations? I have. It works. Yes, accurate answers are difficult, because most real-world situations are not solvable analytically without approximations (but those approximations are extremely valuable -- often they are enough), but numerical methods can improve things. While Mills is still battling the wars of the early days of QM, the rest of the world has moved on, with every solid-state and device in existence relying on the Schrodinger equation.

No I have not used QM in real world situations. But I was definitely a believer in quantum woo at an early age.
You clearly have not been paying attention to people like Carver Meade who was in on the first floor of the solid state revolution.
Question, since you are so knowledgeable : How big is the hydrogen atom?

 

[Hans]

How big is the hydrogen atom?

......................more useless changing the subject.

Got any production models or something to be validated by an independent lab?

 

[The Norseman]

Or, as it's been for the last 30 years, wait and don't see.

What can one expect when it's figuratively the blind leading the blind in Millsworld?

To reiterate since the flurry of new pro-Mills posters have tried to get this dead horse to gallop in a new direction, Mills is at best a shade-tree physicist who has published a Big Book of Woo who has just enough knowledge to fool investors but not enough to fool real physicists (I'd bet that even Mills supporters who might be real physicists are not fooled at all either -- just he pays them enough to look the other way).

 

[Hans]

As a reminder could someone outline what a real scientist would do if he/she had discovered 'Hydrinos' or anything else, what is the accepted path to obtaining validation, acceptance and recognition?

 

[Hellbound]

At least you have some actual data then...

Do they taste good?

They taste like a mix of Spam^TM, lies, and failure.

 

[TwoThumbs]

February 26 2019 is still on my calendar as the date by which Mills will have demonstrated a closed Suncell prototype showing excess energy generation for a reasonable amount of time. Given the substantive direction changes in the design I'm not as confident as before that my timeline will be met. But in the end it will be worth it.

Mills has achieved excess energy - sometimes for months - with earlier cells over the last 20 years, but bluntly put they were not good enough for the marketplace.

This is the best comedy thread ever!

I am confident that a fully operational closed Suncell prototype exhibiting unambiguous excess energy for at least 24 hours continuously will be demonstrated to everyone here's satisfaction no later than February 29 2019.