Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[RecoveringYuppy]

How about you phone or email those validators at their respective universities and ask them if their validation reports, including the spectrometry, are faked. Or ask the half dozen or so coauthors of the most recent papers.

Why don't stop posting crap you can't back up.

 

[JeanTate]

How about you phone or email those validators at their respective universities and ask them if their validation reports, including the spectrometry, are faked. Or ask the half dozen or so coauthors of the most recent papers.

Myself, I'm going to wait 26 (56) (-6) days, for the announcements that Mills/BLP has shipped ~five working prototypes to the same number of independent testing facilities (named, and they publicly acknowledge they're going to do thorough testing).

After all, if Mills had a working device ~30 years' ago, waiting just a few more days can't hurt, can it?

Or, perhaps, you don't expect this sort of development for what, another ~30 years?

PS You've said nothing about Brett Holverstott's very clear statement* on when working devices would be available (that's the "-6" above). Given his, um, close relationship with Mills, don't you find this, um, unusual?

* March 15, 2017: "They [BLP] plan to deploy units for field testing sites this year. Let's suppose it doesn't happen until next year."

 

[Pixel42]

There has been nearly 30 years of hydrino evidence, you have just chosen not to carefully examine it or believe it.

What there has actually been is nearly 30 years of compelling evidence that Mills is either seriously deluded or a con artist. You have just chosen not to carefully examine it or believe it. Either that or you know it perfectly well, and are pretending otherwise for reasons of your own.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

Later equipment would confirm the readings were good enough.


It is not unexpected to Mills. He predicted it before he went looking.
There is no continuum radiation without hydrogen, in a vast range of conditions. Pretty simple.

The problem is this: You're ignoring that much more than XPS was done to identify hydrino. Your CO hypothesis doesn't pass those tests.



There has been nearly 30 years of hydrino evidence, you have just chosen not to carefully examine it or believe it.

Ever hear of the phrase house of cards? Know why it applies? I showed you one or two cases where what Mills is chasing absolutely has different interpretations possible. In every case, when faced with rewriting the entire humankind's body of knowledge regarding physics, and choosing the explanation that fits known physical laws already determined, we must choose the later. Choosing the former means we are building a house on top of a foundation as fragile and easy to collapse as a playing card. (forgive the mixing of a metaphor)

I don't really need to disprove every bit of Mills hypothesis because I am already on the side of the vast majority of all evidence going back through to all the combined knowledge of the human species since the beginning of the scientific method. All I really need to show is that one of Mills keystones is actually no more substantial than a playing card and his whole house collapses. He must start over from scratch and begin building using solid foundations. (to continue the mixed metaphor)

Just because you followed a false trail for 30 years does not make it the proper path at all. That initial wrong turn effects every choice made after. (to thoroughly mix up metaphors beyond comprehension)

In other words all I need to do is falsify one little bit and it is enough to call into question everything Mills has done since based on that initial mistake. Mills hypothesis for his so called anomalous readings is sufficiently falsified. That's how we falsify hypotheses. Learn this. It is what has advanced the human condition in modern civilization.

Mills does have recourse, but it requires he goes back and actually produces unambiguous evidence for hydrinos that has no other explanations. This is why I have repeatedly asked you to produce one of these mythical hydrinos. You claim Mills has cryodistilled dihydrino liquid. That actually would be unambiguous evidence if it were true. It could be independently verified easily. This is why I have repeatedly asked you to:

Show me

Otherwise all you have is a house of cards built on a foundation of lies. Put up or shut up. No excuses. Just do it.

ETA: Believe me, I am asking no less than I follow myself. One could look at this exactly like I also made a hypothesis. My hypothesis is that Mills cant produce a functional unit because hydrinos don't exist. I produce as evidence for my hypothesis that there are multiple other explanations for what Mills is doing that includes but is not necessarily limited to mundane exothermic reactions, hydrogen embrittlement, poor controls, equipment failure, misused/uncalibrated equipment, outright fraud etc... All you have to do to falsify my hypothesis is show unambiguous evidence for this so called cryodistilled dihydrino liquid. so:

Show me

put up or shut up

 

[LTC8K6]

There has been nearly 30 years of hydrino evidence, you have just chosen not to carefully examine it or believe it.

You expect me to believe that in 30 years no other scientist has noticed these hydrinos?

No group outside of Mills and company has noticed hydrinos in the 30 years since Mills said they exist?

All over the world, no one else has found hydrinos except Mills and his associates?

That's just not believable at all, Markie.

If hydrinos exist then they are affecting things in the real world, and they would be noticed by scientists.

 

[8enotto]

A properly working version that produces more out put than required input would be good for me. Long term reliability with no toxic or explosive side effects at that.


Dilythlium crystals or a flux capacitor as the key to that makes no more difference than hydrinos or mayonnaise as the key.

Safe and cheap power would make a huge difference to many people worldwide.

But it has to exist first to become that miracle. This is the greatest failure of BLP. Selling etherware for 3 decades is a poor track record. Easy to doubt the technology.

 

[HappySkeptic99]

You expect me to believe that in 30 years no other scientist has noticed these hydrinos?

No group outside of Mills and company has noticed hydrinos in the 30 years since Mills said they exist?

All over the world, no one else has found hydrinos except Mills and his associates?

That's just not believable at all, Markie.

If hydrinos exist then they are affecting things in the real world, and they would be noticed by scientists.

Scientists are curious people. If there were even a shred of interesting data or theory, they would look into it. Theorists would pour over Mills' tome, and experimentalists would look for hydrinos.

I looked at what I could of the demonstrations and papers, and I am underwhelmed. Most others will be as well. When Mills' theory is contradicted by 100 years of QM, and when his experiments don't pass even simple tests for ruling out mundane explanations, there is nothing for a scientist to do, except say "wake me up when you have real evidence".

If I were on the BLP board, I would be asking for an independent analysis of the science and technology. Either there are no hydrinos, and the company should be shut down, or there are hydrinos, and Mills is completely incompetent at running a company, and should be removed as CEO.

Of course, I don't believe in hydrinos, and that is the catch for the board and investors. They need to believe, because otherwise they have nothing. If BLP doesn't even own their own building, the total assets of BLP probably aren't more than a couple of 100,000. It is in every investor's best interest to "pretend" that a breakthrough is around the corner, in the hope that they can pawn off their shares onto another fanboy.

So, there will only be a day of reckoning when BLP fails in its next round of funding, or when a rich investor (like Carlos Slim) sues the company for fraud. I think they only have 2 years of money left, and that is with a planned reduction in burn rate. BLP's days are numbered.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

So, there will only be a day of reckoning when BLP fails in its next round of funding, or when a rich investor (like Carlos Slim) sues the company for fraud. I think they only have 2 years of money left, and that is with a planned reduction in burn rate. BLP's days are numbered.

How do we know Carlos Slim is an investor?

I wonder what options are available for another round of funding. At some point Mills either has to lose his majority share or propose diluting the value of current investors.

 

[HappySkeptic99]

How do we know Carlos Slim is an investor?

I wonder what options are available for another round of funding. At some point Mills either has to lose his majority share or propose diluting the value of current investors.

I saw summaries of the investment rounds, and Carlos Slim was mentioned. Also, his investment was being used for marketing purposes for the hedge-fund that was doing a sales pitch to me. It is unfortunate that I didn't keep any of the data -- it isn't available online any more.

Carlos Slim didn't get much equity for his investment. It was a "billions" valuation for his $10 million investment. It might be 6 billion, or might be 3.6. Definitely more than 3 billion. The total investment in the company over 30 years has been 125 million. To satisfy those last-in investors, shares would have to be sold at even higher valuations. Even for there to be a fire-sale of new shares, with a reduction in company valuation to less than a billion, the buyers would have to actually believe the company will succeed. How can any rational person believe that? I very much doubt that Mills would let a funding round go at such a low valuation that he would significantly dilute his own stake, and lose control of the company.

Either BLP gets very lucky with a few rich fanboys, or they go down in flames. They are probably figuring out what next demonstration roadshow will get them the needed money. If I were on the board, I would be raising hell. Of course, likely the only people on the board are those with shares, who have a financial stake in keeping the game going.

When the game falls apart, I predict legal troubles for Mills and the board executive.

 

[The Moog]

...
Something of interest, particularly wrt whether Mills has a history of lying (source; this is cited in a post early in the 2017 thread, my hilite):

"In the January 1992 issue of Fusion Facts Dr. Randell L. Mills was named as a Fusion Scientist of the Year 1991. Here is a quote from the article: "On April 26, 1989, Dr. Mills had filed a patent for 'Energy/Matter Conversion Methods and Structures.' Dr. Mills states, '...we scaled it up greater than a factor of a thousand and we have right now a cell running that is a commercial demonstration of this technology. We're pushing right now ... we have a contract we're pursuing that will give us a one kilowatt -- a one thousand watt home heating unit within four months. We have the electrochemical power cell -- it is running. It has the capacity of putting out a thousand watts. And we are waiting for the heat exchanger unit to interface with that [power cell] and we will have a prototype of a home heating unit.'""

So, in a bit over three months' time, it will be the 30th anniversary of Mills' claim to already have "a commercial demonstration of this technology" (or at least the filing of a patent central to that demonstration).

That says it all really.
I like this quote from the link:

We congratulate Dr. Randell L. Mills for being the first to get a new-energy technology to market.

3 decades ago.... And still the scam still rolls on.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Carlos Slim didn't get much equity for his investment. It was a "billions" valuation for his $10 million investment. It might be 6 billion, or might be 3.6. Definitely more than 3 billion. The total investment in the company over 30 years has been 125 million.

Ah. Got it. So the billions valuation is based on one anomalous investor. No bank would take that valuation seriously.

 

[MEequalsIxR]

Look at the papers. What happens is that hydrino formation results in a high energy continuum of eUV radiation. This radiation then highly ionizes present atoms like oxygen, which then regain their electrons, emitting at discrete energies. Translating this to the observed spectra: one sees the continuum radiation hump from hydrino production, and along this hump, protruding above it, are the known discrete lines of known elements in the eUV, just where they should be. So the spectrometer is working just fine.

I don't have your quote handy but you said the hydrino and the process of producing them is safe. Is breathing ionized oxygen safe?

 

[MEequalsIxR]

Not the same equipment. Times change. Much more capable spectrometers now. Essentially the same spectral results. Why not take an enlightening look at the papers rather than speaking out of a rather dark place.

Why is it that QM is wrong yet the spectra is correct? Aren't the two tied up pretty tight?

 

[Hans]

There has been nearly 30 years of hydrino evidence, you have just chosen not to carefully examine it or believe it.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Soon it will make you sick but in another way.

Yeah, we remember this promise from you. There will be information that will rock us skeptics next month.

 

[markie]

I don't have your quote handy but you said the hydrino and the process of producing them is safe. Is breathing ionized oxygen safe?

Dihydrino will be safe and inert. Hydrino hydride compounds will be more stable than the normal hydrogen counterpart.
The environments where hydrino has been made have ranged over the years from aqueous solution to gas phase to thin plasma to molten salts to solid powder and now to a blazing hot plasma furnace, the SunCell. I wouldn't stick my hand in there, let alone breathe it in, no sir.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

Dihydrino will be safe and inert.

You mean if it is ever found? I noticed the tense you used was "will be" and not "was already tested to be"

 

[markie]

Why is it that QM is wrong yet the spectra is correct? Aren't the two tied up pretty tight?

The Rydberg formula was empirically derived before QM, and it's good for the spectra of essentially only one electron atoms or ions. QM can not predict the spectra for those ionized species of oxygen if that's what you had in mind. Rather, the spectra are determined empirically. (Can Mills' theory predict the spectra to very good precision? Why yes.)

 

[Myriad]

The environments where hydrino has been made have ranged over the years from aqueous solution to gas phase to thin plasma to molten salts to solid powder and now to a blazing hot plasma furnace, the SunCell.

Amazing how many different ways there are to produce hydrino. Different environments, different reagents, different catalysts, different energy inputs.

Yet as one might expect, all those methods do have something in common. Can you figure out the one invariant component of every report of a reaction producing hydrino? Hint: it's not a reagent, a catalyst, or an energy input.

 

[Kid Eager]

The Rydberg formula was empirically derived before QM, and it's good for the spectra of essentially only one electron atoms or ions. QM can not predict the spectra for those ionized species of oxygen if that's what you had in mind. Rather, the spectra are determined empirically. (Can Mills' theory predict the spectra to very good precision? Why yes.)

You're stepping over the elephant in the room in that the the Rydberg formula was derived from observation, but didn't explain *why* the formula works. Quantum physics provides the *why* and also invalidates your assertion.