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smartcooky said:
In short, the other 1963 miles do not need a wall because comparatively few people cross there.
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As a result of the barrier, there has been a marked increase in the number of people trying to cross areas which have no fence such as the Sonoran Desert and the Baboquivari Mountain in Arizona.[9] Such immigrants must cross fifty miles (eighty km) of inhospitable terrain to reach the first road, which is located in the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation.[9][10]
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(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico–United_States_barrier )
In 2006, Democrats were saying ‘build that fence!’

As a senator, Barack Obama once offered measured praise for the border control legislation that would become the basis for one of Donald Trump’s first acts as president.

“The bill before us will certainly do some good,” Obama said on the Senate floor in October 2006. He praised the legislation, saying it would provide “better fences and better security along our borders” and would “help stem some of the tide of illegal immigration in this country.”

Obama was talking about the Secure Fence Act of 2006, legislation authorizing a barrier along the southern border passed into law with the support of 26 Democratic senators including party leaders like Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Chuck Schumer.
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(https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...ts-embraced/QE7ieCBXjXVxO63pLMTe9O/story.html )

So, the barrier is perhaps a little more than just "a ridiculous Trump idea".
 
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Michel H said:
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico–United_States_barrier )

(https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...ts-embraced/QE7ieCBXjXVxO63pLMTe9O/story.html )

So, the barrier is perhaps a little more than just "a ridiculous Trump idea".
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I suggest you use Google Earth to take a good look at where the Southern border goes. Enable international borders and set your eye-altitude to about 120 km, then start at Tijuana in the west and work your way east to Matamoros on the east coast of Texas. Take a good look at where this wall would have to go, the territory it will have to be built in.

You don't have to be Einstein to realise that $5bn will be nowhere near enough to cover the cost; it would even be enough to get you a start
 
smartcooky said:
I suggest you use Google Earth to take a good look at where the Southern border goes. Enable international borders and set your eye-altitude to about 120 km, then start at Tijuana in the west and work your way east to Matamoros on the east coast of Texas. Take a good look at where this wall would have to go, the territory it will have to be built in.

You don't have to be Einstein to realise that $5bn will be nowhere near enough to cover the cost; it would even be enough to get you a start
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It gets worse. Building a wall in a remote area will require roads and additional construction. If someone were to choose to cross in a remote area, they would have a road to follow.
 
Trump doesn’t even have the guts to show his face when discussing the migrant childrens’ deaths. He hides behind twitter like a stinking coward.
 
smartcooky said:
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You don't have to be Einstein to realise that $5bn will be nowhere near enough to cover the cost; it would even be enough to get you a start
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Experts have estimated the cost of the true Trump wall to be $25 Billion, minimum.
Update: We spoke to a retired estimator and economist for one of the nation’s largest construction firms. He worked through some of the math, though he did not want to be identified publicly. Roughly, he said a wall of this type would cost at least $25 billion — and that is not counting a video system to keep watch on the border. Building the wall would also require at least 40,000 workers a year for at least four years, but he doubted it could be built so quickly.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-would-cost-8-billion/?utm_term=.ffc00276074c
 
smartcooky said:
I suggest you use Google Earth to take a good look at where the Southern border goes. Enable international borders and set your eye-altitude to about 120 km, then start at Tijuana in the west and work your way east to Matamoros on the east coast of Texas. Take a good look at where this wall would have to go, the territory it will have to be built in.

You don't have to be Einstein to realise that $5bn will be nowhere near enough to cover the cost; it would even be enough to get you a start
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According to wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico–United_States_barrier ), the existing barrier is already 580 miles long (the border is about 2000 miles long). And I suppose some barriers are less expensive than others.
 
Trump doesn’t even have the guts to show his face when discussing the migrant childrens’ deaths. He hides behind twitter like a stinking coward.
 
Behind the scenes at the Apprentice:
“He [Trump] had just gone through I don’t know how many bankruptcies. But we made him out to be the most important person in the world. It was like making the court jester the king.” Bill Pruitt, a producer on the show, said, “We walked through the offices and saw chipped furniture. We saw a crumbling empire at every turn. Our job was to make it seem otherwise.”
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ke-trump-and-his-decisions-seem-coherent.html
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...d-donald-trump-as-an-icon-of-american-success
 
Michel H said:
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico–United_States_barrier )

(https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...ts-embraced/QE7ieCBXjXVxO63pLMTe9O/story.html )

So, the barrier is perhaps a little more than just "a ridiculous Trump idea".
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You're new to the thread. Have you missed the three years of discussion of all this preliminary crap you're dredging up.

First, stop referring to "wall". Donnie Johnny is now proposing a fence that's pretty tall, but "Build That Slatted Fence That's Pretty Tall" doesn't sound so good in Wheeling.

Secondly, as part of various security upgrades, with bipartisan support, there have been numerous projects to "fill in the gaps", as it were. And new sections of fencing have been built at various points all along the border. What Trump wants is a Great Wall of China with Beefeaters and Star Wars stormtroopers marching back and forth between guard stations. He even said at one point that it would become a tourist attraction.

It's delusions of grandeur. Come in with a request for funding for extensions to complete the current fencing? Dems would have trouble (and possibly wouldn't mind anyway) turning it down. But he's got to be able to point to it an call it "a wall" because he promised the dimwits he'd build one and he's the master builder.

It's a gesture and it's being fought as the huge stupid white elephant that it is. No one objects to updating the technology or investing in training for the personnel or improving the infrastructure at the key crossings. And most don't object to completing the current type of fencing over the current "gaps". It's the Big Stupid Wall that's being opposed.
 
Foolmewunz said:
You're new to the thread. Have you missed the three years of discussion of all this preliminary crap you're dredging up.

First, stop referring to "wall". Donnie Johnny is now proposing a fence that's pretty tall, but "Build That Slatted Fence That's Pretty Tall" doesn't sound so good in Wheeling.

Secondly, as part of various security upgrades, with bipartisan support, there have been numerous projects to "fill in the gaps", as it were. And new sections of fencing have been built at various points all along the border. What Trump wants is a Great Wall of China with Beefeaters and Star Wars stormtroopers marching back and forth between guard stations. He even said at one point that it would become a tourist attraction.

It's delusions of grandeur. Come in with a request for funding for extensions to complete the current fencing? Dems would have trouble (and possibly wouldn't mind anyway) turning it down. But he's got to be able to point to it an call it "a wall" because he promised the dimwits he'd build one and he's the master builder.

It's a gesture and it's being fought as the huge stupid white elephant that it is. No one objects to updating the technology or investing in training for the personnel or improving the infrastructure at the key crossings. And most don't object to completing the current type of fencing over the current "gaps". It's the Big Stupid Wall that's being opposed.
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But Trump seems to be evolving somewhat. During his Christmas day message, he said:
“I can tell you it’s not going to be open (the goverment) until we have a wall, a fence, whatever they’d like to call it,” Mr. Trump told reporters, a nod to the “artistic slats” he has started advocating instead of the concrete wall he once promised. “I’ll call it whatever they want. But it’s all the same thing. It’s a barrier from people pouring into our country.”

Mr. Trump said “there may be the case of an Olympic champion who can get over the wall, but for the most part you are not able to do it.” He said the wall would be as high as 30 feet, roughly the equivalent of a three-story building.
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(https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/25/us/politics/trump-border-wall-shutdown.html )
 
The human cost from a New York Times article in 2004:
Leon Stroud, a Border Patrol agent who is part of a squad that has the dual job of arresting illegal immigrants and trying to save their lives, said he had seen 34 bodies in the last year. In Border Patrol parlance, a dead car and a dead migrant are the same thing -- a ''10-7'' -- but Mr. Stroud said he had never gotten used to the loss of life. ''The hardest thing was, I sat with this 15-year-old kid next to the body of his dad,'' said Mr. Stroud, a Texan who speaks fluent Spanish. ''His dad had been a cook. He was too fat to be trying to cross this border. We built a fire and I tried to console him. It was tough.'' Link
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Michel H said:
So, the barrier is perhaps a little more than just "a ridiculous Trump idea".
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Building a wall along the entire border as an end in itself is indeed a ridiculous Trump idea.

Barriers are a component of border security, of course, but each with a particular purpose in their location. Funding is available for border security, including such barriers. Funding is being denied for a monolithic structure serving no purpose except to bear Trump's name.
 
CapelDodger said:
Barriers are a component of border security, of course, but each with a particular purpose in their location. Funding is available for border security, including such barriers.
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I am far from being an expert in American politics. However, it seems to me that, if Democrats could be a little clearer about what you are explaining here (that they would be ready to fund new barriers), that would perhaps help solve the current stalemate (with a partial government shutdown).
 
Michel H said:
I am far from being an expert in American politics. However, it seems to me that, if Democrats could be a little clearer about what you are explaining here (that they would be ready to fund new barriers), that would perhaps help solve the current stalemate (with a partial government shutdown).
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Sorry, but you seem to have no idea what's going on. The wall is a populist stunt. The Dems won't fund it just because Trump's ego is screaming for it.
 
I just don't understand why the Right has suddenly got this bee in their bonnet about erecting *right bloody now* this monument to stupidity called a Wall.

Is the situation *now* all so frightfully different from that of years past? (Nope; we observe a decrease in the numbers of illegals.)

Are migrants flooding the US on a murder spree of biblical proportion? (Nope; they have a *long way* to go to *begin* to catch up with the murder rates of the restless natives already shooting up each other to the tune of tens of thousands a year.)

So what gives? Fewer illegals, and of a rather less violent bent than good ol' born in the USA citizens. And even Trump, FFS, has illegals working at his properties. The hypocrisy reeks.

And then there's the so called 'tough' Prez caving in to the opinions of a few bigoted talking heads on the Far Right, tilting him to even more readily double down on stupidity on their say-so. For a 'leader', Dump sure follows, letting others make up his mind for him. All because he's terrified of losing that 35% base of deplorables. Not realizing that he's already lost at it all. There just aren't sufficient myopic and bamboozled knuckle-draggers to give him another kick at the can--should he weather the ********* about to break on his ass. Enough of the country is woke, and will put an end to the intellectual and moral paralytic and this aberrant, shameful experiment in Trumpism. If not, we're all facked.

(Not that it matters, but the censored word is equal to "excrement storm.")
 
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