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Mueller Investigation pt4

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acbytesla said:
I'm betting that during the next sentencing hearing, Sullivan will play his part and probably not sentence Flynn to prison time. Sullivan's rant probably works in Flynn's favor.
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It depends on what else he gives Mueller between now and then. If nothing much, I'll wager he'll give Flynn at least 2 months. He was pretty pissed off.
 
Thanks to those who replied to TBD regarding his reply to my last post. You’ve said all that I would have said.
 
Stacyhs said:
It depends on what else he gives Mueller between now and then. If nothing much, I'll wager he'll give Flynn at least 2 months. He was pretty pissed off.
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You might be right. It is highly unusual for a judge to not follow a defense/prosecution agreed upon recommendation.

I definitely believe knowing what I know that Flynn deserves some prison time. That said, unlike TBD, I'm fully aware there is one hell of a lot I/we don't know as of yet. So my personal judgement might be faulty.
 
The Big Dog said:
Judges are not above the law.

Judges should not be making stuff up in order to jaq off
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What law did the judge break? That the judge was disgusted with the criminal offense General Flynn committed is quite reasonable. It frightens me that someone with the position of NSA could be compromised by foreign governments. It bothers me that Flynn could be so unprincipled that he would:

1. Change foreign policy positions for personal enrichment which is clearly what General Flynn did in regards to Turkey.
2. Be willing to fight for the extradition of a human being to another government where that person would be almost certainly be imprisoned, tortured and very likely executed FOR MONEY.

And this doesn't touch what he may have been doing in service to Russia.
 
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acbytesla said:
What law did the judge break? That the judge was disgusted with the criminal offense General Flynn committed is quite reasonable. It frightens me that someone with the position of NSA could be compromised by foreign governments. It bothers me that Flynn could be so unprincipled that he would:
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Sally Yates warned the Executive that Flynn was compromised by the Russian Government.

Any American who is not utterly shocked and dismayed that he was then allowed to remain in the post of National Security Advisor for EIGHTEEN DAYS before he was fired doesn't deserve to call themselves a patriot.
 
He's just parroting Trump's spin that this is all persecution and personal attacks.

This was TBD's NIST report moment.

"NIST will show it, NIST will prove it wasn't fire!"

"OMG NIST IS COMPROMISED?!"

Come on you legal scholar, you. Get your gumshoe on and crowdfund an independent investigation.

I bet you could bilk Trump supporters for a good chunk of change. Get to the bottom of how the FBI could trick a patriotic general into accidentally lying and then admitting it.
 
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smartcooky said:
Sally Yates warned the Executive that Flynn was compromised by the Russian Government.

Any American who is not utterly shocked and dismayed that he was then allowed to remain in the post of National Security Advisor for EIGHTEEN DAYS before he was fired doesn't deserve to call themselves a patriot.
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Yates was dismissed in the interim for not defending Trump's Muslim Ban in court (A huge blow to the political independence this particular executive department is supposed to have).

They only acted on his exposure when WaPo published it, then he resigned within hours.
 
The new "All The President's Lawyers podcast is up. In the first 5 minutes Popehat calls the narratives that the judge was going to rebuke the prosecution in the Flynn case "nutty", "ridiculous", "nothing to do with the facts", "junk reporting", and makes it clear that anybody with any knowledge of the law should have been expecting Sullivan to act the way he did once he asked for the 302s. He goes on to say that the argument that there was misconduct by the FBI is "specious", "entirely ridiculous", and that "there's no basis in the law for it whatsoever".

WRT Sullivan's comment that Flynn was working as an unregistered Turkish agent while in the White House and the question about treason, he says "he was just going off; he was very angry", "he talked himself into something stupid and, to his credit, he later walked it back". He also says that anybody with any experience in front of a judge wouldn't be surprised at all, because judges are human beings and therefore act like human beings. So, again, not a surprise to anybody who actually knows anything about the practice of law. No suggestion that he should recuse, or that it indicates bias of any kind.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The new "All The President's Lawyers podcast is up. In the first 5 minutes Popehat calls the narratives that the judge was going to rebuke the prosecution in the Flynn case "nutty", "ridiculous", "nothing to do with the facts", "junk reporting", and makes it clear that anybody with any knowledge of the law should have been expecting Sullivan to act the way he did once he asked for the 302s. He goes on to say that the argument that there was misconduct by the FBI is "specious", "entirely ridiculous", and that "there's no basis in the law for it whatsoever".

WRT Sullivan's comment that Flynn was working as an unregistered Turkish agent while in the White House and the question about treason, he says "he was just going off; he was very angry", "he talked himself into something stupid and, to his credit, he later walked it back". He also says that anybody with any experience in front of a judge wouldn't be surprised at all, because judges are human beings and therefore act like human beings. So, again, not a surprise to anybody who actually knows anything about the practice of law. No suggestion that he should recuse, or that it indicates bias of any kind.
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B.. b.. b.. b.. but Popehat is TBD"s hero? He'll be devastated that Popehat has been got to by The Deep State! :jaw-dropp
 
The Military has always claimed that it holds itself and its members to a higher standard than "mere civilians".
So the demand that Flynn's lying to the FBI should be treated the same way as drug-addicted teenager's lying is insulting to the prosecutors, the judge and the Armed Forces: there is no question whatsoever that Flynn knew exactly what he was doing, but thought that Trump would have his back.
He didn't.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The Military has always claimed that it holds itself and its members to a higher standard than "mere civilians".
So the demand that Flynn's lying to the FBI should be treated the same way as drug-addicted teenager's lying is insulting to the prosecutors, the judge and the Armed Forces: there is no question whatsoever that Flynn knew exactly what he was doing, but thought that Trump would have his back.
He didn't.
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Why would he think that? Has Trump ever, in his whole life, covered anyone's back?
 
smartcooky said:
B.. b.. b.. b.. but Popehat is TBD"s hero? He'll be devastated that Popehat has been got to by The Deep State! :jaw-dropp
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Just listened to that very informative podcast.

The difference between a real lawyer and a cargo-cult lawyer (as exemplified in this thread) is very stark.

One has a thorough understanding of the theory and practice of the criminal law, the other knows some of the legalese and can look up various statutes on the 'net but completely lacks the background knowledge to piece things together. Sad.
 
Donald J. Trump Retweeted
Gov. Mike Huckabee

Dec 18
It took a British court to reveal it, but more shocking evidence of the REAL "Russian collusion" and it wasn't about
@realDonaldTrump
but guys like St. Comey, the self-righteous liar/leaker. Corruption, Collusion, and Crime!
In Court, Steele Claimed His Dossier Was Meant to Help Hillary Challenge 2016 Election Results
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Donald J. Trump Retweeted
Gov. Mike Huckabee

Dec 18
It took a British court to reveal it, but more shocking evidence of the REAL "Russian collusion" and it wasn't about
@realDonaldTrump
but guys like St. Comey, the self-righteous liar/leaker. Corruption, Collusion, and Crime!
In Court, Steele Claimed His Dossier Was Meant to Help Hillary Challenge 2016 Election Results
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The actual quote

“Fusion’s immediate client was law firm Perkins Coie. It engaged Fusion to obtain information necessary for Perkins Coie LLP to provide legal advice on the potential impact of Russian involvement on the legal validity of the outcome of the 2016 US Presidential election.

“Based on that advice, parties such as the Democratic National Committee and HFACC Inc. (also known as ‘Hillary for America’) could consider steps they would be legally entitled to take to challenge the validity of the outcome of that election.”
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Technically, the only reason why Flynn didn't commit treason is because the US didn't declare the Russian attack on the elections an Act of War.
The same behavior would have been treasonous if the administration had adopted a different posture.
 
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