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It's a hat, a brosch, a pteridactile!
Hey do it properly, 'A Hat, A Broach, A Pterodactyl'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8oAQOvOEXY
It's a hat, a brosch, a pteridactile!
Electrons are point particles with a spherical charge.
According to Randell L. Mills the free electron is “is a spinning two-dimensional disk of charge. The mass and
current density increase towards the center, but the angular velocity is constant. It produces an angular momentum
vector perpendicular to the plane of the disk” [29]. As in our proposed model the intrinsic angular momentum of free
electron is ~ but there is an important difference in charge distribution shape and speed. A constant angular velocity
for a flat charge distribution implies that the charge speed is not always equal to the speed of light as strictly demanded
by our model [30]. Mills’ theory [31,32] “assumes physical laws apply on all scales including the atomic scale” in
agreement with Occam’s razor principle, is based on simple fundamental physical laws and is highly predictive.
If anyone is skeptical about the electron being a point charge and all the hand waving that goes with it in order to allow a dimensionless point particle to somehow have intrinsic angular momentum, avoid infinite energy and have mass. Here is an excellent paper that builds upon the extended electron model introduced by David Hestenes. Called "The Electron and Occam's Razor"
The article mentions the difference between this model and Mills' model is that Mills current loop travels at less than light speed and in their model the current loop travels at light speed
In other words, the shell theorem applies to a shell with no interior motion. The orbitsphere is different; it is in motion and there is no force transmitted between points on the orbitsphere.Newton's laws work just fine, but each point on the hard spherical shell is no longer in its own orbit if it's part of a solid body. When you link up the points, force is transmitted between them, and they act as one unit. Then the shell theorem applies.
True.1) A point outside a spherical shell will perceive a net gravitational force from the shell, as if all the shell's mass was at it's exact center.
True if the shell is static and empty. But if the shell is in orbital motion, there must be a mass inside the shell. And if there is such a mass, then a 'point somewhere inside the spherical shell' will not experience a net gravitational force of zero ; it will experience a gravitational force from the mass inside the sphere.2) A point inside a spherical shell will perceive no net gravitational forces from the shell.
Mills has a real problem with his spheres. They can't be "hard spheres", they have to be elastic, or they wouldn't be able to come to an equilibrium radius. But, if they are elastic, an elastic sphere isn't stable either (someone posted something about dynamic simulations), and what is the elasticity? How does the elasticity not affect the energy of the system? Is it like memory foam, and it eventually goes to zero force, but resists fast change?
It is crazy how willfully one has to ignore the problems with this construction, and it gains you nothing. It un-answers known physics experiments, while gaining nothing of value.
OK let's roll with that.No, that's not what they said. They said that the net effect within the sphere is zero.
He is right, of course. Inside the sphere, the net effect of gravity between any point inside the shell and the shell is zero. It's known as the "Shell Theorom" and Wikipedia has an article explaining it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_theorem
Edit: I need to remember to read the next page of replies before I reply.![]()
Correct you are. Refreshing to see someone can understand the concept behind the object (the orbitsphere) even if he may not agree that such an object exists.The actual assertion is that it's a series of independent, overlapping rings, which pass through each other as if they were the only ones there. So imagine that rather than one moon there's an infinite number of moons, all in stable orbits, all of which are insubstantial to each other, and all of which the laws of physics act on as if they were the only moon.
It isn't, since superposition is a known phenomenon.And that assertion is self-contradictory.
That applies to an empty, static sphere. It does not apply to an orbitsphere orbiting a central mass.
No. How did you manage to get this from what he said?In other words, the shell theorem applies to a shell with no interior motion.
If anyone is skeptical about the electron being a point charge and all the hand waving that goes with it in order to allow a dimensionless point particle to somehow have intrinsic angular momentum, avoid infinite energy and have mass. Here is an excellent paper that builds upon the extended electron model introduced by David Hestenes. Called "The Electron and Occam's Razor"
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320274514_The_Electron_and_Occam's_Razor/download
The reference to Mills in the above paper is
And here is an article without as much math that references this paper as well as the work of Holimid and ultra dense hydrogen. Do try to overlook the fact that it is on an e-cat website - it is an interesting read:
http://www.ecat-thenewfire.com/blog/electromagnetic-electron-new-fire/
The article mentions the difference between this model and Mills' model is that Mills current loop travels at less than light speed and in their model the current loop travels at light speed
No. How did you manage to get this from what he said?
central mass? or center of mass?Because, if the shell is composed of moving mass, there must be a central mass inside the shell, by orbital mechanics. And if there is a central mass inside, then the shell theorem does not apply since there is a now a non uniform gravitational field inside the shell.

Central mass.central mass? or center of mass?![]()
Its the one thing BLP and Mill CAN do very well - not make a produce to sell and they have been achieving that for 30 years.
In other words, the shell theorem applies to a shell with no interior motion.
The orbitsphere is different; it is in motion and there is no force transmitted between points on the orbitsphere.
That applies to an empty, static sphere. It does not apply to an orbitsphere orbiting a central mass.
A shell with interior motion? Well, isn't that special.
The motion of the sphere is irrelevant, and what you are describing of the orbitshpere isn't a sphere, at all, but distinct, unconnected parts.
You really cannot help yourself, can you? You always have to make up something no matter how big the lie. By the way, spheres cannot orbit a central mass; they can, however, rotate about a central mass.
Unlike SqueegeeB it appears you can't conceive of a sphere surface comprised of moving, orbiting points (or rings) which pass through each other unaffected.
Not if said sphere is also described as "rigid." If the orbiting rings/points pass through each other then they do not maintain fixed relative positions with respect to one another; and if they don't affect each other then they do not transmit forces between one another. Thus there is no conceivable rigidity.
Like Hellhound said, it's like describing the shell as a spherical cube. So completely self-contradictory that there is no need to farther refute it.
If anyone is skeptical than they can do what Pauli did and apply textbook physics to an extended electron with its angular momentum from its measured magnetic moment. They will get the same result. It is physically impossible because that extended electron will have a surface that is moving faster than the speed of light.If anyone is skeptical about the electron being a point charge and all the hand waving that goes with it in order to allow a dimensionless point particle to somehow have intrinsic angular momentum, avoid infinite energy and have mass. ...
The physical interpretation of Pauli's "degree of freedom" was initially unknown. Ralph Kronig, one of Landé's assistants, suggested in early 1925 that it was produced by the self-rotation of the electron. When Pauli heard about the idea, he criticized it severely, noting that the electron's hypothetical surface would have to be moving faster than the speed of light in order for it to rotate quickly enough to produce the necessary angular momentum. This would violate the theory of relativity. Largely due to Pauli's criticism, Kronig decided not to publish his idea.
The Stern–Gerlach experiment demonstrated that the spatial orientation of angular momentum is quantized, and thus an atomic-scale system having intrinsically quantum properties. In the original experiment, silver atoms were sent through a spatially varying magnetic field, which deflected them before they struck a detector screen, such as a glass slide. Particles with non-zero magnetic moment are deflected, due to the magnetic field gradient, from a straight path. The screen reveals discrete points of accumulation, rather than a continuous distribution,[1] owing to their quantized spin. Historically, this experiment was decisive in convincing physicists of the reality of angular-momentum quantization in all atomic-scale systems.[2][3]
The experiment was first conducted by the German physicists Otto Stern and Walter Gerlach in 1922.[1][4][5]
The title and abstract are dubious in themselves. Occam's Razor is not a principle or a method used to derive new theories. Occam's Razor is a heuristic used to select which completing theory is more trustworthy. Basically, if two theories have identical predictions then trust the one with the fewer entities.Abstract This paper introduces a Zitterbewegung (ZBW) model of the electron by applying the principle of Occam's razor to Maxwell's equations and by introducing a scalar component in the electromagnetic field.