Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Nope. The way the plea deal was written meant that if Manafort broke it then he would still be bound by everything he'd agreed to, and Mueller wouldn't be bound by anything he'd agreed to.
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... which sounds like something Manafort wouldn't agree to unless he was desperate. He's playing a weird game - it's as if he couldn't play it straight even if he wanted to.
 
It really doesn't matter if getting pardoned would in reality be likely or even solve his problems. Manafort is one of those guys who have gotten away with so many horrible things for so long that they feel entitled to con people, and even courts. Even if something scares them into changing their behavior, that doesn't stick long and they go right back to trying to con/********/lie.

So while a pardon wouldn't solve his jail problems, he probably thinks he'll find a way to con out of those too, or Trump will for him, or the US will change in some way that means he gets off...there are any number of rationalizations he could be using.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
no.
the plea stated clearly that Manafort hands it all over immediately, with no recourse either way.
Mueller gave the DOJ his Apartment in Trump Tower. To save overhead, maybe the Probe should move in there.
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Nope. The way the plea deal was written meant that if Manafort broke it then he would still be bound by everything he'd agreed to, and Mueller wouldn't be bound by anything he'd agreed to.
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Now that's the Art of the Deal. Shame Donny didn't ask Mueller to negotiate with NK.
 
Now a Trump pardon is now in play again.....


Most GOP political commentators think such a move would be catastrophic for Trump poiticallly,forget the legal problems, but Trump does stupid things even when it's clear they will hurt him badly with all but his core base.
 
dudalb said:
Now a Trump pardon is now in play again.....


Most GOP political commentators think such a move would be catastrophic for Trump poiticallly,forget the legal problems, but Trump does stupid things even when it's clear they will hurt him badly with all but his core base.
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You touched on this, but I think that it's worth emphasizing. A big problem is that... despite the noise they're making, it's actually not clear that it would be catastrophic for Trump, politically. More like, he'll lose a couple approval rating percentage points for a week, and then it will be swept away by 5 other things and it will be back to business as usual.
 
dudalb said:
Now a Trump pardon is now in play again.....


Most GOP political commentators think such a move would be catastrophic for Trump poiticallly,forget the legal problems, but Trump does stupid things even when it's clear they will hurt him badly with all but his core base.
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Aridas said:
You touched on this, but I think that it's worth emphasizing. A big problem is that... despite the noise they're making, it's actually not clear that it would be catastrophic for Trump, politically. More like, he'll lose a couple approval rating percentage points for a week, and then it will be swept away by 5 other things and it will be back to business as usual.
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To paraphrase another forum member:

Pardoning Manafort (or anyone else connected to the Russia investigation) would be like Trump pooping on the floor.

But by the time we all get over the shock of seeing Trump do that and try to formulate a response, he will have moved on to raping the dog.

....and we'll forget all about that whole poop on the floor incident.
 
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Corsi is letting CNN know that Mueller has proof he lied because... Something.

In the summer of 2016, Stone allegedly asked Corsi to get in touch with WikiLeaks "about materials it possessed relevant to the presidential campaign that had not already been released," according to the draft filing. "Get to [Assange]," Stone wrote on July 25, 2016, three days after Wikileaks dumped thousands of Democratic National Committee emails. According to the documents, Stone directed Corsi to get in touch with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, was blasting publicly the documents stolen in the Russian hack, and "get the pending [Wikileaks] emails."

Corsi then passed that request on to Ted Malloch, a London-based consultant. Malloch said he spoke to the FBI this year and said was asked specifically if he had visited the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. He had not, he said. Stone also said he has never met Assange.

Malloch did not respond to a request for comment on this report.

By August 2, 2016, Corsi was emailing Stone to predict that WikiLeaks had more document dumps in the works. Stone has said he spoke with Trump the following day, August 3.

"Word is friend in embassy plans 2 more dumps. One shortly after I'm back. 2nd in Oct. Impact planned to be very damaging," Corsi wrote, according to the draft document. "Time to let more than [the Clinton Campaign chairman] to be exposed as in bed w enemy if they are not ready to drop HRC [Hillary Rodham Clinton]. That appears to be the game hackers are now about. Would not hurt to start suggesting HRC old, memory bad, has stroke -- neither he nor she well. I expect that much of next dump focus, setting stage for Foundation debacle."
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Linky.
 
crescent said:
To paraphrase another forum member:

Pardoning Manafort (or anyone else connected to the Russia investigation) would be like Trump pooping on the floor.

But by the time we all get over the shock of seeing Trump do that and try to formulate a response, he will have moved on to raping the dog.

....and we'll forget all about that whole poop on the floor incident.
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No. "We" likely won't. "We" being the people who are already generally opposed to him after the consistent and overwhelming barrage of reasons that he's given to be opposed to him. I'm still unhappy with him for the Joe Arpaio pardon, though, even if that's outclassed by so much more.

On the positive side of that possibility, though... Even if Manafort gets a Presidential pardon, as part of the plea agreement, he's pleaded guilty to a number of state crimes that he has not been prosecuted for, by the sound of it, so things likely wouldn't be getting much better for him.
 
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Trump Tweets

The Mueller Witch Hunt is a total disgrace. They are looking at supposedly stolen Crooked Hillary Clinton Emails (even though they don’t want to look at the DNC Server), but have no interest in the Emails that Hillary DELETED & acid washed AFTER getting a Congressional Subpoena!
 
Ahh. Remember when Hillary tweeted all the time and ranted about witch hunts and the corrupt system when the GOP/FBI were investigating her about Benghazi and then e-mails?



Neither do it.
I guess innocent people do things differently than Trump does.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

The Mueller Witch Hunt is a total disgrace. They are looking at supposedly stolen Crooked Hillary Clinton Emails (even though they don’t want to look at the DNC Server), but have no interest in the Emails that Hillary DELETED & acid washed AFTER getting a Congressional Subpoena!
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Is this investigative detail in the public realm prior to this tweet? There's some stuff about Jerome Corsi/Roger Stone out there, but is this...that?

Or did Trump just all but blurt out that Whitaker is acting as a mole for him?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

The Mueller Witch Hunt is a total disgrace. They are looking at supposedly stolen Crooked Hillary Clinton Emails (even though they don’t want to look at the DNC Server), but have no interest in the Emails that Hillary DELETED & acid washed AFTER getting a Congressional Subpoena!
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"Acid washed"?

No, Mr. President, that was the Saudis.
 
Aridas said:
You touched on this, but I think that it's worth emphasizing. A big problem is that... despite the noise they're making, it's actually not clear that it would be catastrophic for Trump, politically. More like, he'll lose a couple approval rating percentage points for a week, and then it will be swept away by 5 other things and it will be back to business as usual.
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I doubt he would lose a single "core" voter. They simply accept whatever Trump does as being the right thing to do.
 
Darat said:
I doubt he would lose a single "core" voter. They simply accept whatever Trump does as being the right thing to do.
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They just accept whatever he tells them. Recently he has been claiming that he thought up and was responsible for the passing of the Veteran's Choice Bill. His claim is that people had been trying to get it through for the past 44 years without luck, but that he demanded it got done and it was put through and that everyone thought him a genius for getting it sorted out.

The reality? The Veterans' Access to Care through Choice, Accountability, and Transparency Act was a highly accepted bipartisan bill that was passed in 2013 (with only 8 no votes in the combined congress) and was signed into legislation by Barack Obama on August 7th 2014.

So Trump's involvement? In April this year he signed a bill to extend the funding of the bill...
 
thaiboxerken said:
Ahh. Remember when Hillary tweeted all the time and ranted about witch hunts and the corrupt system when the GOP/FBI were investigating her about Benghazi and then e-mails?



Neither do it.
I guess innocent people do things differently than Trump does.
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Fun fact: Republicans actually made up a lot of completely false conspiracy theories about Bill and Hillary Clinton during the former's presidency, in what could reasonably be called a witch hunt.

Whitewater, Vince foster, "troopergate" and so on.
 
Arcade22 said:
Fun fact: Republicans actually made up a lot of completely false conspiracy theories about Bill and Hillary Clinton during the former's presidency, in what could reasonably be called a witch hunt.

Whitewater, Vince foster, "troopergate" and so on.
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Conspiracy theories are their weapon because they know their base are idiots that will believe nonsense.
 
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