Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

Doubt said:
We do not have consensus. First, We might agree on them being totalitarian but unfortunately we are going to have to discuss what could pass for religion in China. But before we get there we are going to have to figure out why you think it is important to call them Marxist right up to the point where we want to look at why and then suddenly it is not important to you once we examine the nature of your claim.

What we seem to have here is sort of a Schrodinger's Marxist where it is and is not important at the same time. Of course if you want to consider what is true about the government in China we must figure out where we can agree. To get there we need to know why calling them Marxists is/was important to you so we can define our mutual terms.

So I ask you again, is the regime in China honest when they call themselves Marxist?

This is an honest question and I do expect an honest answer. Once we get you past that point we can then move on to the hard stuff. This is the easy question and it is not going away.
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China's Leader Xi Jinping Reminds Party Members to Be 'Unyielding Marxist Atheists'

http://time.com/4306179/china-religion-freedom-xi-jinping-muslim-christian-xinjiang-buddhist-tibet/

Curious that you missed this article.
 
The Big Dog said:
Weird, you totally cut out this part of my post:

“Yeah, atheists are the victims here. Maybe the USA religious right got together with Xi to destroy churches, crack down on religious and put a million plus religious people in concentration camps as part of the, whomp whomp:”

It is almost as if you don’t want to talk about the million human beings in concentration camps, but want to continue convincing people that atheists are the victims of the anti atheist agenda.

Poor atheists.

Oh man.
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The sheer amount and obvious intentionality of your bias in what you ignore out of what people say would be jaw dropping, if anyone thought that you were interested in honest discussion.
 
Aridas said:
Yes, indeed. The sheer amount and obvious intentionally of your bias in what you ignore out of what people say would be jaw dropping, if anyone thought that you were interested in honest discussion.
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Aridas said:
The sheer amount and obvious intentionality of your bias in what you ignore out of what people say would be jaw dropping, if anyone thought that you were interested in honest discussion.
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Oh dear....

I guess then that you are not going to talk about the million people in concentration camps?
 
The Big Dog said:
China's Leader Xi Jinping Reminds Party Members to Be 'Unyielding Marxist Atheists'

http://time.com/4306179/china-religion-freedom-xi-jinping-muslim-christian-xinjiang-buddhist-tibet/

Curious that you missed this article.
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I missed nothing. In fact I have addressed that with my question that you are not answering. Is he honest when he says they are Marxist? Why don't you answer that? All you have done here is re-assert the same claim. If you believe China is an actually Marxist just because he says so then you should also believe Manson when he claimed to be Jesus.

We know their economy is capitalist and that is not compatible with what Marx wrote.
 
Doubt said:
I missed nothing. In fact I have addressed that with my question that you are not answering. Is he honest when he says they are Marxist? Why don't you answer that? All you have done here is re-assert the same claim. If you believe China is an actually Marxist just because he says so then you should also believe Manson when he claimed to be Jesus.

We know their economy is capitalist and that is not compatible with what Marx wrote.
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‘K.

:rolleyes:
 
The Big Dog said:
Oh dear....

I guess then that you are not going to talk about the million people in concentration camps?
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I've said what needs said already on that topic, based on what's actually been presented, repeatedly. That you feel like ignoring that isn't a surprise, of course.
 
I am very impressed with the lengths people will go to actively ignore the fact that the Unyielding Marxist atheists in China have put in excess of a million human beings in concentration camps in order to crackdown on the exercise of their religious faith.

Oh wait, pointing that out makes the real victims of atheists and Marxists.

Gaze upon it folks, because one is unlikely to see that level of denial ever again.

Dream thread
 
The Big Dog said:
Take it up with your fellow travelers who appears to believe in the dual nature of tyrants like Xi, the mean authoritarian side, and the pure atheist side.

Religious Authoritarianism? You better believe that is about the religion, boo religion!
Atheist Authoritarianism? All about the authoritarianism, shock horror at suggesting that pogroms like those going on today by Unyielding marxist Atheists have anything to do with atheism!

Dream thread

/by the way, remind me to tell the League of Militant Atheists, or Xi's cadre of Unyielding Marxist Atheists or the several Official Atheist States that they don't have an ideology. I read it on the iSkep!
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What is it about Iskep (?) that you say you have read? Another of your fanatical religious sources who blame all the world's ills on atheism?

The problem with RFCSP (Religious Fanatics in Charge of Sect Propaganda) is that they are not used to thinking too much. Too many sermons and catechisms are numbing, brother. So they believe that everything a short person does is because he is short. And all an atheist does is because he's an atheist.

Of course, with that way of thinking they end up voting for a certain Trump, even if he starts shooting on Fifth Avenue. That's all that it is.

We are speaking of China, are we not?
 
The Big Dog said:
I am very impressed with the lengths people will go to actively ignore the fact that the Unyielding Marxist atheists in China have put in excess of a million human beings in concentration camps in order to crackdown on the exercise of their religious faith.
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What lengths are these?


The Big Dog said:
Oh wait, pointing that out makes the real victims of atheists and Marxists.
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Who, apart from yourself, has portrayed atheists and Marxists as victims?

This is not something you are "pointing out", this is something you are inventing.

I note that Doubt is attempting to have a reasoned and reasonable conversation with you, something you claimed you wanted.
Is this
The Big Dog said:
'K :rolleyes:
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your idea of reasoned debate? Is this kind of discourteous evasiveness something you would like the rest of us to emulate? Can you really not do any better?
WWJD, TBD?
 
The Big Dog said:
I am very impressed with the lengths people will go to actively ignore the fact that the Unyielding Marxist atheists in China have put in excess of a million human beings in concentration camps in order to crackdown on the exercise of their religious faith.

Oh wait, pointing that out makes the real victims of atheists and Marxists.

Gaze upon it folks, because one is unlikely to see that level of denial ever again.

Dream thread
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Do do you actually care anything about human rights?

You have consistently failed to answer that one simple question, therefore I (and many other people) are not swayed by your often alleged concerns which you have constantly stated and that you have constantly failed validate.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Who, apart from yourself, has portrayed atheists and Marxists as victims?

...

I note that Doubt is attempting to have a reasoned and reasonable conversation with you,
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Oh golly, many people, most recently the person who claimed that talking about a MILLION PEOPLE IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS was to "push the anti-atheist agenda favored by many of the USA's religious right."

Doubt is attempting to turn this thread which involves a MILLION PEOPLE IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS and more anti-religious pogroms into an economic debate about whether or not China is an "according to Hoyle" "true Marxist-man" which as I have pointed out is fallacious and a true red herring.
 
That is not to say that the Chinese are all that strong at Marxism.

Their Marxism game is weak, their Leninist game, pretty good... but their Stalinist Game? ALL WORLD

And knowing that they are pretty weak on Marxism, they make it up on the Anti-religious pogrom and suppression Atheist part: lets call it weak on defense but really strong on hitting.
 
The Big Dog said:
That is not to say that the Chinese are all that strong at Marxism.

Their Marxism game is weak, their Leninist game, pretty good... but their Stalinist Game? ALL WORLD

And knowing that they are pretty weak on Marxism, they make it up on the Anti-religious pogrom and suppression Atheist part: lets call it weak on defense but really strong on hitting.
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Ah, the specialist on China. How long did you study?

Hans
 
Following a two-day review of China’s record in August, the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination has said that up to 1 million Uyghurs could be currently held against their will and without trial in extra-legal detention, on the pretext of countering terrorism and religious extremism.

Rubio and Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), the ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, introduced the Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act in the Senate on Nov. 14. U.S. Rep Chris Smith, (R-N.J.), introduced the House version of the bill with lead Democratic co-sponsor Rep. Thomas Suozzi (D-N.Y.)

“The internment of over a million Uighurs and other Muslims in China is a staggering evil and should be treated by the international community as a crime against humanity,” said Smith. “The Chinese government’s creation of a vast system of what can only be called concentration camps cannot be tolerated in the 21st century.”
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Source

Bi-partisan support for the Bill linked here. I urge you all to contact your representatives to support this Bill.
 
The Big Dog said:
Source

Bi-partisan support for the Bill linked here. I urge you all to contact your representatives to support this Bill.
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My mistake!

Sorry about that! There was a mistake in my earlier posting, my apologies.

There is only 12 more days of this congressional term when both the House and the Senate will be session.

https://www.usetinc.org/wp-content/...r 11/combined-congressional-calendar-2018.pdf

Therefore, save your crocodile tears for the new US Congress which be start its session in January 2019.

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