Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

[Doubt]

Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

Are you prepared to actually acknowledge that you are wrong about them being real Marxists? Once we get that settled we can discuss the atheism claim. Or are you going to start repeating the Marxist BS again?

 

[The Big Dog]

Are you prepared to actually acknowledge that you are wrong about them being real Marxists? Once we get that settled we can discuss the atheism claim. Or are you going to start repeating the Marxist BS again?

Thread ain’t about marxism bruh.

 

[Doubt]

Yes it is. It is part of your assertion. Please either accept that you were wrong or provide proof that you were right.

This is only step one in analysis of your claims.

Edited to add: Note that you have also referred to people as "Fellow Travelers", which is a phrase used to refer to Marxists.

 

[The Big Dog]

Yes it is. It is part of your assertion. Please either accept that you were wrong or provide proof that you were right.

This is only step one in analysis of your claims.

No, it isn’t.

Knock yourself out and regale us with tales about no true Marxist, the big dog don’t care.

That ain’t gonna get a million plus people out Chinese concentration camps.

 

[Aridas]

Thread ain’t about marxism bruh.

The person who keeps spouting out "Unyielding Marxist Atheists" sure made it a topic worth addressing, though.

 

[Doubt]

No, it isn’t.

Knock yourself out and regale us with tales about no true Marxist, the big dog don’t care.

That ain’t gonna get a million plus people out Chinese concentration camps.

If you believe that is off topic then report it. Your claims here are plain for all to see.

You have been claiming that they are Marxists and using their assertion to support it. The economics alone in China do not support that at all. This also suggests that there may be some motive problems with other claims by the Chinese government that you seem to believe.

 

[The Big Dog]

The person who keeps spouting out "Unyielding Marxist Atheists" sure made it a topic worth addressing, though.

Wasn’t me who exhorted his Unyielding Marxist Atheists to put a million plus religious people in concentration camps and destroy churches.

It was Xi.

 

[The Big Dog]

You have been claiming that they are Marxists and using their assertion to support it. The economics alone in China do not support that at all. This also suggests that there may be some motive problems with other claims by the Chinese government that you seem to believe.

I did not say anything about economics, but by all means, feel free to fire on all cylinders about how economically they ain’t true Marxists.

I am going to talk about all the people in concentration camps.

 

[Aridas]

Wasn’t me who exhorted his Unyielding Marxist Atheists to put a million plus religious people in concentration camps and destroy churches.

It was Xi.

It very much is you, however, who insists on using that term, despite how inaccurate it's been shown to be.

 

[The Big Dog]

It very much is you, however, who insists on using that term, despite how inaccurate it's been shown to be.

Gee, i’ll Let Xi know that he is using Marxist wrong.

Fortunately the Unyielding and Atheists parts are spot on, that is why there are a million plus religious people in concentration camps.

 

[Aridas]

Gee, i’ll Let Xi know that he is using Marxist wrong.

Does his misuse justify yours?

 

[The Big Dog]

Does his misuse justify yours?

Actually it wasn’t mine, it was Xi’s, and his cadre, and all the religious people he put in concentration camps.

Did you want to continue ignoring the people in camps and quibbling about economic Marxism instead?

I am guessing you do, because of course you do.

 

[Aridas]

Actually it wasn’t mine,

Denying responsibility for your own actions? Unsurprising.

it was Xi’s, and his cadre, and all the religious people he put in concentration camps.

Did you want to continue ignoring the people in camps and quibbling about economic Marxism instead?

Mmm? What ignoring? It's certainly true, though, that I'm still not going to fly over to China and make a scene there, though, regardless of how much I oppose the authoritarian choices to disregard human rights.

I am guessing you do, because of course you do.

And you're running away from taking responsibility for your own words and actions, because of course you are.

 

[Doubt]

Actually it wasn’t mine, it was Xi’s, and his cadre, and all the religious people he put in concentration camps.

Did you want to continue ignoring the people in camps and quibbling about economic Marxism instead?

I am guessing you do, because of course you do.

Without economics there is no Marxism. They are just another totalitarian regime. Which is what they are regardless of what they call themselves. As I already stated if you accept that claim from Xi at face valve then you must equally accept other similar claims such as Charles Mason being Jesus.

Or you could drop that BS claim and look for the actual motive.

For the most part people are not arguing about the atrocity at hand. They are arguing with you about why they are doing it. For that to be resolved we first have to deal with the nature of the people doing this. Accepting their claims at face value is a sucker bet. But you want to accept that sucker bet and the rest of us don't.

What are the characteristics of a totalitarian regime? is Honesty one of those characteristics? This is not a rhetorical question. If you cannot answer that question then you cannot actually figure out why they are committing atrocities.

 

[Aridas]

Accepting their claims at face value is a sucker bet. But you want to accept that sucker bet and the rest of us don't.

But if he didn't, what would he be left with to troll the atheists with and push the anti-atheist agenda favored by many of the USA's religious right?

 

[The Big Dog]

But if he didn't, what would he be left with to troll the atheists with and push the anti-atheist agenda favored by many of the USA's religious right?

Yeah, atheists are the victims here. Maybe the USA religious right got together with Xi to destroy churches, crack down on religious and put a million plus religious people in concentration camps as part of the, whomp whomp:

Anti-atheist agenda.

/ Oh man, just jaw dropping at this point.

 

[The Big Dog]

Without economics there is no Marxism. They are just another totalitarian regime. Which is what they are regardless of what they call themselves. As I already stated if you accept that claim from Xi at face valve then you must equally accept other similar claims such as Charles Mason being Jesus.

Or you could drop that BS claim and look for the actual motive.

For the most part people are not arguing about the atrocity at hand. They are arguing with you about why they are doing it. For that to be resolved we first have to deal with the nature of the people doing this. Accepting their claims at face value is a sucker bet. But you want to accept that sucker bet and the rest of us don't.

What are the characteristics of a totalitarian regime? is Honesty one of those characteristics? This is not a rhetorical question. If you cannot answer that question then you cannot actually figure out why they are committing atrocities.

Cool cool, just ATHEIST TOTALITARIANS then putting a million plus people in concentration camps and destroying churches.

Consensus! Well argued.

 

[Aridas]

Oh man, just jaw dropping at this point.

Yes, indeed. The sheer amount and obvious intentionally of your bias in what you ignore out of what people say would be jaw dropping, if anyone thought that you were interested in honest discussion.

 

[The Big Dog]

Yes, indeed. The sheer amount and obvious intentionally of your bias in what you ignore out of what people say would be jaw dropping, if anyone thought that you were interested in honest discussion.

Weird, you totally cut out this part of my post:

“Yeah, atheists are the victims here. Maybe the USA religious right got together with Xi to destroy churches, crack down on religious and put a million plus religious people in concentration camps as part of the, whomp whomp:”

It is almost as if you don’t want to talk about the million human beings in concentration camps, but want to continue convincing people that atheists are the victims of the anti atheist agenda.

Poor atheists.

Oh man.

 

[Doubt]

Cool cool, just ATHEIST TOTALITARIANS then putting a million plus people in concentration camps and destroying churches.

Consensus! Well argued.

We do not have consensus. First, We might agree on them being totalitarian but unfortunately we are going to have to discuss what could pass for religion in China. But before we get there we are going to have to figure out why you think it is important to call them Marxist right up to the point where we want to look at why and then suddenly it is not important to you once we examine the nature of your claim.

What we seem to have here is sort of a Schrodinger's Marxist where it is and is not important at the same time. Of course if you want to consider what is true about the government in China we must figure out where we can agree. To get there we need to know why calling them Marxists is/was important to you so we can define our mutual terms.

So I ask you again, is the regime in China honest when they call themselves Marxist?

This is an honest question and I do expect an honest answer. Once we get you past that point we can then move on to the hard stuff. This is the easy question and it is not going away.