Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

[3point14]

yep under ireland, but the box has a dotted line to just off Normandy where there's a more to scale version of the isles just where they should be

Er, yeah. That was my point.

Unless I'd missed some sarcasm or humour. Which happens. Far too often.

 

[Mid]

Er, yeah. That was my point.

Unless I'd missed some sarcasm or humour. Which happens. Far too often.

yeah sorry I was just confused by ceptimus saying they were in the wrong place when they're not. Never mind just me being confused which also happens far too often

 

[3point14]

yeah sorry I was just confused by ceptimus saying they were in the wrong place when they're not. Never mind just me being confused which also happens far too often

 

[p0lka]

So someone who is part of the leave vote doesn't know where the channel isles are then?
It doesn't actually surprise me.

At least they know where France is.

Yeah, Raab just made me put my head in my hands.

 

[Degeneve]

Given support and succour to the EU side, so allowing them to negotiate with greater intransigence in their efforts to deny Brexit.

As a matter of fact nobody denies Brexit. Right now it is becoming a fact on 30 March 2019, i.e. in less than 150 days if I am not mistaken.

With a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and North Ireland in the absence of any agreement.

 

[Garrison]

No, the vote was to leave the EU. The questions of freedom and damage were not on the ballot paper.

Dave

And Leave explicitly promised that we would retain trading terms with the EU as good as or better than those we currently have, but Ceptimus is remarkably sanguine about the fact they outright lied about the future of the British economy...

 

[Degeneve]

I'll only blame them if and when they fail to deliver the Brexit they promised. I don't blame the EU - they can and should do what they think is best for the EU. I will blame the UK government if they fail to do what they promised - that is deliver a Brexit that disentangles us completely from EU rule.

Did the UK Government really promise that? Or was it the likes as Farage who have never been in a UK Government but made promises they knew nobody could keep?

 

[abaddon]

The idiots that made that map can't even get the channel islands in the right place.

They are in the right place.

Is even a simplified map too much for you?

 

[abaddon]

The idiots that made that map can't even get the channel islands in the right place.

Let me help you out...

 

[Information Analyst]

So someone who is part of the leave vote doesn't know where the channel isles are then?
It doesn't actually surprise me.

This.

 

[quadraginta]

Of course not. There's 50 years of integration there.

We're now dealing with ideologues. They don't respond to reason. They are prepared for everyone else to pay any price at all just so that the Germans et al can't tell us how clean our beaches should be.

Quite honestly, I haven't found a single pro brexit individual who is't a cock juggling thunder**** with an IQ you have to dig for. I keep looking.



(Edit - inadvertently beat the auto censor - oops)

Childish insults are not critical thinking. And they're childish.

You're mistaken.

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That insult was quite adult.

"Brexiteers are all poopyheads!" Now that would be a childish insult.

Still true, but childish.

 

[Wildy]

I assume the Brian Cox twitter stuff is in response to this tweet and the tweet embedded in it?

To abide by the result of it, because clearly the majority would be happy with the most chaotic and economically harmful possible Brexit, given that that's clearly the kind we're most likely to get. And then to point out that the food shortages, job losses, economic downturns, falls in the quality of life and the resurgence of the IRA aren't our fault, because we honestly did all we could to prevent them.

For the near future I don't see the IRA showing up any time soon. They are more likely to achieve their goals by sitting back and letting the chaos of Brexit annoy the Northern Irish enough to border poll their way back into the EU.

The backstop applies if the EU decides that it won't allow the other solutions to work. That's the problem - it allows the EU the option to continue to control the UK even after the UK has left.

Yeah, those lousy continentals should know that the UK is supposed to be controlling the EU even after they leave.

The remainers don't need a leave plan - just a plan of how they will accept losing again, if that happens. It's their refusal to accept that they already lost that's got us in the current mess. I hope they won't make the same mistake if they get the re-referendum they're scheming for.

I assume the remainers will just do what the leavers did. Keep on complaining about everything going on until they get their way, the UK rejoins the EU and then everyone will be unhappy because there's no way in hell they're going to get those sweet deals again.

And Leave explicitly promised that we would retain trading terms with the EU as good as or better than those we currently have, but Ceptimus is remarkably sanguine about the fact they outright lied about the future of the British economy...

Tbh they're going to claim success based solely on the referendum question. They never asked about leaving on condition of getting an equal or better trade deal, they just asked to leave.

 

[a_unique_person]

There's certainly plenty of evidence for it. Exhibit A, the minister in charge of Brexit negotiations Dominic Raab, has only just realised that the port of Calais is important for British imports/exports. Something that even a GCSE passing grade in geography would have told him.

Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ha.

Oh my. I can laugh. You poor ******* have to live with this.

 

[Tolls]

I'll only blame them if and when they fail to deliver the Brexit they promised.

They didn't promise a Brexit.
They promised lots of different sorts of Brexits. Never mind that most of the people voting Leave were voting for whatever breed of Brexit that lived in their heads.
That's sort of the whole point.

And back around we come.

Indeed.
At least we now know that Raab isn't the only clueless Leaver when it comes to geography.

 

[Wudang]

There's certainly plenty of evidence for it. Exhibit A, the minister in charge of Brexit negotiations Dominic Raab, has only just realised that the port of Calais is important for British imports/exports. Something that even a GCSE passing grade in geography would have told him.

It's worth watching the video just to serious how earnest Raab is, as if this is an enormous revelation that nobody could have foreseen.
"The accident wasn't my fault as the tree jumped out in front of my car."

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

What would you call it? There's no doubt they support the EU side rather than their own country in the negotiations.

I don't support any side in the negotiations since i have no idea what the UK team is actually trying to negotiate...and clearly nor do they. The EU can only react to what is put in front of them and an incoherent disjointed mess of nothingness is so far what they have been given. So far they have reacted in the only way that they can and the idea that they would simply have folded had remainers been more staunch is laughable and delusional.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

The good deal is that we'll be free of EU rule. No one expects better economic trading with the EU. A price worth paying to be out of the corrupt EU, and the economic hit will be compensated by better trading with countries outside the EU.

Why would a non-EU country give us better terms that those they would offer the EU? Can you give me a single reason?

For example are South Korea going to offer us a better FTA than the one they already have with the EU?

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

It's worth watching the video just to serious how earnest Raab is, as if this is an enormous revelation that nobody could have foreseen.
"The accident wasn't my fault as the tree jumped out in front of my car."

An ex-professor of mine once complained that he had a car accident that was caused by the fact that 'the light is ALWAYS on green, why was it different today?'

I believe even he wasn't stupid enough to vote to Leave the EU though.

 

[Dave Rogers]

What would you call it?

Having a different opinion to yours. If leaving the EU is all about freedom, I'm struggling to see how not being allowed to have a different opinion to yours makes me more free.

There's no doubt they support the EU side rather than their own country in the negotiations.

Do you have anything other than fantasy to back that up? The EU is aware that not all the population of the UK wants to leave; other than merely existing and holding an opinion, which I rather think we have a right to do in any reasonably democratic state, how are people who disagree with you actually influencing the negotiations either way?

Dave

 

[Lothian]

Why would a non-EU country give us better terms that those they would offer the EU? Can you give me a single reason?

For example are South Korea going to offer us a better FTA than the one they already have with the EU?

I believe it it because of our fantastic negoiciating ability and the ease we have in striking great deals for the UK.