Democrats = Antifa = BS

All legislation kills people. When you make decisions that big and far reaching pretending they don't is naive.
 
JoeMorgue said:
All legislation kills people. When you make decisions that big and far reaching pretending they don't is naive.
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Reagan deliberately ignored the AIDS crisis because it might make him look bad being concerned for 'The Gays'.
This was deliberate, as dead homosexuals weren't seen as a loss.
As a result, 100,000's of Americans avoidably died.
 
Belz... said:
Voting for budget cuts, budget increases, new laws, repeals, etc. always carries the risk that someone's going to get hurt or killed because of it. If that's murder for you, then I don't think you should involve yourself in political discussions because you don't have the stomach for it.
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You're free to think that.

In my view "I'm making sure sick people can't get healthcare because rich people need more money" is extremely egregious, to the point where it's fundamentally different than the usual annual budget where it's important to passing a budget or declaring war, and closer to a bill that says "kill 5 people at random." I wouldn't quite call it outright murder, but ethically, I can't object to anyone who does.
 
Mumbles said:
You're free to think that.
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By the way, sorry about the joke earlier. I considered that it might be a joke but decided against that interpretation.

In my view "I'm making sure sick people can't get healthcare because rich people need more money" is extremely egregious, to the point where it's fundamentally different than the usual annual budget where it's important to passing a budget or declaring war, and closer to a bill that says "kill 5 people at random." I wouldn't quite call it outright murder, but ethically, I can't object to anyone who does.
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Yeah but those quotes are not even paraphrases; they're made up. I'm pretty sure this isn't how they see the work that they do. There's surely a bunch of rationalisation there, but in the end I think that they believe they're doing the right thing.
 
We can't turn politics into a Straw-Utilitarian Monster thought experiment put into practice.

Right now everyone in this thread has no less then 7 or 8 viable organs that could save another person's life. If you aren't killing yourself so 8 people may live, you understand the different stop pretending you don't.
 
Belz... said:
By the way, sorry about the joke earlier. I considered that it might be a joke but decided against that interpretation.



Yeah but those quotes are not even paraphrases; they're made up. I'm pretty sure this isn't how they see the work that they do. There's surely a bunch of rationalisation there, but in the end I think that they believe they're doing the right thing.
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Me too, for the most part.

To be sure, part of the anti-ACA fervor in the GOP has to do with opposing Obama for political advantage.

But I also think that many in the GOP regard the ACA as genuinely harmful to the nation's interest.
 
So, regarding the nonsense emanating from Trump and the right-wing echo chamber about Antifa being an arm of the Democratic party, otherwise known as The Thread Topic...
 
varwoche said:
So, regarding the nonsense emanating from Trump and the right-wing echo chamber about Antifa being an arm of the Democratic party, otherwise known as The Thread Topic...
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Well, I believe I framed how the Trumpkins could put the actual threat of Antifa into perspective to everyone, as to how it scales with the White Nationalist movement, and for some strange reason they won't bite...
 
varwoche said:
So, regarding the nonsense emanating from Trump and the right-wing echo chamber about Antifa being an arm of the Democratic party, otherwise known as The Thread Topic...
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A good reminder.
 
JoeMorgue said:
But the point is making "Life and Death Decisions" is literally what a government does.

By this logic any civility is immoral because if you don't get your way people are gonna die.

So where does this stop? Health Care? Safety Standards? Environmental Standards? Foreign Policy? Is everyone who disagrees with you on any of those a murderer?
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And here we have the continuum fallacy really well presented. As any legislation can cost lives, therefore no legislation that costs lives is ever a reason to get worked up.

Health care is also different because you can point to people beforehand who will die because of a change, while with safety standards you can at best only show deaths that would have likely been prevented had such standards been in place.

Do death to the gays laws are really no different and no reason to be worked up than debating lower speed limits.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Wait so lives lost within politics has to be graded on a scale but lives lost within the entire concept of politics can't be?
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Fine you are right, there is no difference between safety standards and rounding up and killing all the jews. Those are morally equivalent actions. We really owe the nazis an apology.
 
ponderingturtle said:
And here we have the continuum fallacy really well presented. As any legislation can cost lives, therefore no legislation that costs lives is ever a reason to get worked up.
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There you go lying again. As you well know, the issue isn't that you can't call legislation bad or wrong, but that you can't go around calling people murderers willy-nilly.
 
phiwum said:
Me too, for the most part.

To be sure, part of the anti-ACA fervor in the GOP has to do with opposing Obama for political advantage.

But I also think that many in the GOP regard the ACA as genuinely harmful to the nation's interest.
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Yep jesus would never stand for giving health care to the poor!
 
Mumbles said:
You're free to think that.

In my view "I'm making sure sick people can't get healthcare because rich people need more money" is extremely egregious, to the point where it's fundamentally different than the usual annual budget where it's important to passing a budget or declaring war, and closer to a bill that says "kill 5 people at random." I wouldn't quite call it outright murder, but ethically, I can't object to anyone who does.
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I would!
Bertolt Brecht: Many Ways of Killing
 
Belz... said:
There you go lying again. As you well know, the issue isn't that you can't call legislation bad or wrong, but that you can't go around calling people murderers willy-nilly.
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Yep, there really is no difference from safety laws and genocide. All laws are morally neutral.
 
Belz... said:
I really would like to delve into your brain and find out exactly where you get those stupid strawmen from.
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It isn't a strawman it is just taking the continuum fallacy being presented to its logical conclusion. Killing people for money is only bad when you directly get blood on your hands, do it at one stage removed and it is morally and ethically fine.
 
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