Democrats = Antifa = BS

[varwoche]

You really need to remove those blinders. Evidence of Liberal tactics is easy to see as it has become commonplace.

My own Senator Mitch McConnell was accosted while trying to have a bite at a local Louisville eatery. As well many other Republicans have been targeted in public and private.

The people who disrupted McConnell's meal were obnoxious. But get a grip, that doesn't make them Antifa. There is not one significant Dem on record supporting Antifa. And clearly, Antifa has no use for Dems. The way you coalesce 'facts' is akin to a rorshalk test.

Yes, random Democratic meanies have harassed public figures. (Which I denounce.) Meanwhile, your Fuhrer explicitly threatened violence against protesters who were behaving legally. Cry me a river of Amazonian proportion.

 

[uke2se]

The people who disrupted McConnell's meal were obnoxious. But get a grip, that doesn't make them Antifa. There is not one significant Dem on record supporting Antifa. And clearly, Antifa has no use for Dems. The way you coalesce 'facts' is akin to a rorshalk test.

Yes, random Democratic meanies have harassed public figures. (Which I denounce.) Meanwhile, your Fuhrer explicitly threatened violence against protesters who were behaving legally. Cry me a river of Amazonian proportion.

Why? They are excersising their right to free speech, aren't they? As long as they aren't promoting violence or hate.

Edited: Execute?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Why? They are executing their right to free speech, aren't they? As long as they aren't promoting violence or hate.

That only applies to harassing women going into planned parenthood though. It shouldn't apply to petitioning government officials.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Why? They are executing their right to free speech, aren't they? As long as they aren't promoting violence or hate.

You see, every school, church, temple, or yoga studio should have armed security in case some MAGA-boy goes on a suicide mission, but politicians should be able to move freely in restaurants without having mean things said to them. Civility.

 

[varwoche]

Why? They are excersising their right to free speech, aren't they? As long as they aren't promoting violence or hate.

Edited: Execute?

Mainly because it's counter-productive. It achieves nothing positive whatsoever, and meanwhile it gives the right effective talking points.

 

[uke2se]

Mainly because it's counter-productive. It achieves nothing positive whatsoever, and meanwhile it gives the right effective talking points.

I disagree. I want to see more of that kind of thing. More protests of all (peaceful) kinds. Civility doesn't matter anymore.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I disagree. I want to see more of that kind of thing. More protests of all (peaceful) kinds. Civility doesn't matter anymore.

More peaceful protests, but the goal should be to try to persuade those voters out there that are persuadable. Yelling at Mitch McConnell might be very gratifying personally, but I doubt it has much influence on the voting public. Credibility is important.

I think of those weirdos who stand outside Planned Parenthood and scream at young women and parade around with pictures of mangled fetuses. Have they helped their cause or hurt it? Sure, they are protesting, but their tactics make their entire viewpoint look kinda nuts and full of villains. Someone who wasn't already in the tank for the pro-life movement could easily be turned off by such tactics.

It's a careful line to walk, but being seen as jerks who harass people at dinner probably isn't a winning play. It's not because McConnell deserves peace, but a matter of political pragmatism.

 

[uke2se]

More peaceful protests, but the goal should be to try to persuade those voters out there that are persuadable. Yelling at Mitch McConnell might be very gratifying personally, but I doubt it has much influence on the voting public. Credibility is important.

I think of those weirdos who stand outside Planned Parenthood and scream at young women and parade around with pictures of mangled fetuses. Have they helped their cause or hurt it? Sure, they are protesting, but their tactics make their entire viewpoint look kinda nuts and full of villains. Someone who wasn't already in the tank for the pro-life movement could easily be turned off by such tactics.

There's a difference. They are screaming at private citizens utilizing their right to an abortion. The protesters in the restaurant were protesting a public figure who has the power to make decisions over other people's rights.

I'd also add that decorum doesn't matter, nor does worrying about giving the right "ammo". The right wing will say whatever they want about you anyway, and if they can't find any instances of Democrats behaving badly, they will invent some. Civility and decorum are dead. The GOP killed them. Only way to bring them back is to use whatever (peaceful) means necessary to get the GOP out of power.

 

[varwoche]

I disagree. I want to see more of that kind of thing. More protests of all (peaceful) kinds. Civility doesn't matter anymore.

If your goal is to promote conflict because the only way this will get sorted out is by a civil war of sorts, whatever. But if your goal is to win the 2018 election, I'm confident that you're misguided.

 

[uke2se]

If your goal is to promote conflict because the only way this will get sorted out is by a civil war of sorts, whatever. But if your goal is to win the 2018 election, I'm confident that you're misguided.

Do you believe that about protests in general or specifically protesting elected officials in restaurants?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

There's a difference. They are screaming at private citizens utilizing their right to an abortion. The protesters in the restaurant were protesting a public figure who has the power to make decisions over other people's rights.

I'd also add that decorum doesn't matter, nor does worrying about giving the right "ammo". The right wing will say whatever they want about you anyway, and if they can't find any instances of Democrats behaving badly, they will invent some. Civility and decorum are dead. The GOP killed them. Only way to bring them back is to use whatever (peaceful) means necessary to get the GOP out of power.

Sure, whatever effective means for removing the corrupt GOP from power should be used. I don't think this approach is likely to be effective, but measuring that is difficult. It's one event in a massive sea of other events, it's hard to measure response.

I will say, that historically, "law and order" has been an effective for the right to successfully demonize the left in the past, even in cases where the left is morally correct in their politics. Winning political power is all that matters.

 

[thaiboxerken]

The GOP steal elections. I don't care how they are treated as long as it's not violent. They should be shamed so much that they can't enjoy dinner anywhere except Mar-A-Lago. I have no sympathy for fascists.

 

[varwoche]

Do you believe that about protests in general or specifically protesting elected officials in restaurants?

The latter, although I don't confine it to restaurants.

I wish for massive peaceful protests. So massive the country is virtually shut down, starting with every street block where there's a Trump hotel. But we digress here.

 

[Belz...]

As a reminder, Obama inherited a $1.4 trillion deficit in 2009 from Dubya's Republican Government, during an international financial crisis, and thanks to Dubya's complete lack of fiscal prudence, and DESPITE having little choice but to bail out Banks and industries, and DESPITE having a flipped house working against him during from 2011 to 2016, STILL managed the massive task of reducing, the deficit by almost $750 million by the time he left office.

2009 $1,413
2010 $1,294
2011 $1,300
2012 $1,087
2013 $679
2014 $485
2015 $438.
2016 $585
2017 $665.
2018 $833
2019 $984
2020 $987 (proj)
2021 $916 (proj)


Facts anyone?

That doesn't make any sense. I have it on good authority that Republicans are fiscally responsible and Democrats are not.

 

[ponderingturtle]

More peaceful protests, but the goal should be to try to persuade those voters out there that are persuadable. Yelling at Mitch McConnell might be very gratifying personally, but I doubt it has much influence on the voting public. Credibility is important.

I think of those weirdos who stand outside Planned Parenthood and scream at young women and parade around with pictures of mangled fetuses. Have they helped their cause or hurt it?

They certainly haven't hurt it.

 

[Belz...]

Mainly because it's counter-productive. It achieves nothing positive whatsoever, and meanwhile it gives the right effective talking points.

Also it's being a dick.

 

[Delvo]

Since you went there I have no choice but to point out Republicans actually received life threatening gunshot injuries from a Bernie supporter.........
Chris B.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...an-left-wing-violence/?utm_term=.7dfa3fb1ae1e

Right wing violence happens much, much more than from the left. This "both sides do it" nonsense is a ridiculous argument with no merit.

...especially from somebody whose initial claim was not that they're equal but that the far less violent side is somehow worse.

And the Republican legislator who was targeted with a gun had been voting for the Republicans' bills to deprive Americans of medical care, knowing perfectly well that that would kill thousands per year; shooting at people who vote for mass murder, or even treat mass murder of peasants as a legitimate thing for the aristocracy to vote on at all, is public defense at least, and potentially also self defense.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

That doesn't make any sense. I have it on good authority that Republicans are fiscally responsible and Democrats are not.

They are in that instead of trying to clean up the mess they made, they let the grownups do it.

 

[phiwum]

Why? They are excersising their right to free speech, aren't they? As long as they aren't promoting violence or hate.

Edited: Execute?

They are within their legal rights, far as I know, but it adds to the incivility of our already toxic political environment.

I'd rather that even public figures I loathe can eat in peace in restaurants.

(I am more ambivalent when it comes to an owner refusing service to a figure they despise. This is different than a crowd harassing political figures, I think.)

 

[Belz...]

...especially from somebody whose initial claim was not that they're equal but that the far less violent side is somehow worse.

And the Republican legislator who was targeted with a gun had been voting for the Republicans' bills to deprive Americans of medical care, knowing perfectly well that that would kill thousands per year; shooting at people who vote for mass murder, or even treat mass murder of peasants as a legitimate thing for the aristocracy to vote on at all, is public defense at least, and potentially also self defense.

That sounds like a nice recipe for disaster: all we need to do is check all new laws, analyse whether passing it or not would result in more deaths, and kill those who've voted the wrong way.

What can go wrong?