What swear words would Jesus use?

[shanek]

The difference between objective and subjective.

There is nothing objective at all about the licensing and inspection codes. Look 'em up sometime.

Again, read a review 'zine, or only go with restaurants that post a voluntary certification rating from an organization you trust.

Jusus, when I go out to eat I hardly want to play cop.

No, you'd rather point guns at other people to steal their money and force other potentially clean and healthy restaurants out of business.

 

[shanek]

And EVERY single restaurant is in there, huh? And what about when I'm just hanging out downtown, and see some restaurant that I've never heard of before, and decide on a whim to try it? I don't have any diner guide handy then. What if it is a brand-new restaurant that's been open less than a weekend?

Ask 'em if their facilities have been inspected by a third-party organization and what the results were. Take some responsibility and STOP TAKING MY MONEY!!! And stop telling ME where I can and cannot eat just because YOU'RE too irresponsible to do what I do!

 

[Freakshow]

Ask 'em if their facilities have been inspected by a third-party organization and what the results were. Take some responsibility and STOP TAKING MY MONEY!!! And stop telling ME where I can and cannot eat just because YOU'RE too irresponsible to do what I do!

And the guy will cross his fingers behind his back and say "Ummm...yeah....SURE....we've been inspected! It's great here! Look at this certificate on the wall! (That I happen to have printed out on my home computer.)"

JFC...this is why I would never join the Libertarian party. Do you really think you are going to get anyone elected to any major office, being THIS extreme? Maybe if you would scale back a bit, and focus on changes to the tax code and to social spending, and appeal to more voters, you might actually get some significant number of people elected to national office someday.

 

[Darat]

Ask 'em if their facilities have been inspected by a third-party organization and what the results were. Take some responsibility and STOP TAKING MY MONEY!!! And stop telling ME where I can and cannot eat just because YOU'RE too irresponsible to do what I do!

This would fail in the real world. Explain how this would happen when in a strange town I have a 40 minute lunch break, in that time I have to find a place to buy my food from, eat it and get back to my job. Explain how I do this research in those 40 minutes that results in me being able to make an informed choice. In my opinion in those circumstances I actually can't make an informed decision and so have achoice of taking a gamble or going hungry, your system would reduce my ability to make an informed choice.

 

[Ed]

There are never teeth to libertarian positions because the government is not involved. One either sues, dies, or spends ones life doing what you can pay others to do. I just don't get it.

 

[shanek]

And the guy will cross his fingers behind his back and say "Ummm...yeah....SURE....we've been inspected! It's great here! Look at this certificate on the wall! (That I happen to have printed out on my home computer.)"

What's to stop him doing that now with the government rating?

I can't believe you're saying that it's extreme to let people keep their money and do business in a free market...

 

[Ed]

There is nothing objective at all about the licensing and inspection codes. Look 'em up sometime.

Why? I see no problem with them worthy of scrapping them.

Again, read a review 'zine, or only go with restaurants that post a voluntary certification rating from an organization you trust.

I read reviews regularly. I don't think that reviewers are competant to ascess diswasher temeratures or infestation, they don't because they let the Health Department handle that part. I suspect that I have probably eaten out more than most posters on this board. I have never yet come across a "voluntary certification rating" and if I did happen on one what then? Should I start finding out who certifies them? How do I know it's legit? Aside from a philosophical argument why is this better?

No, you'd rather point guns at other people to steal their money and force other potentially clean and healthy restaurants out of business.

"potentially"

that says it all.

 

[shanek]

This would fail in the real world.

Prove it.

 

[shanek]

There are never teeth to libertarian positions because the government is not involved. One either sues, dies, or spends ones life doing what you can pay others to do. I just don't get it.

You "don't get it" because you refuse to see that it's the GOVERNMENT that fails miserably at almost everything it does. As the free market works to create wealth for the poor, government welfare works to keep them in poverty. Look how much better UL works at keeping consumers safe while allowing them access to products than the FDA any of the other safety departments they have. Look at how much better Boise-Cascade is at managing their forests and preventing forest fires than the US Forestry Service.

And guess what? People get food poisoning and die from licensed, inspected restaurants.

Government DOESN'T WORK.

 

[luchog]

And EVERY single restaurant is in there, huh? And what about when I'm just hanging out downtown, and see some restaurant that I've never heard of before, and decide on a whim to try it? I don't have any diner guide handy then. What if it is a brand-new restaurant that's been open less than a weekend?

I tend to agree with you in general on this issue. However, knowing what I do about government inspectors, I still wouldn't trust them quite as much. I pretty much just assume that I'm taking a risk any time I go out to eat. Inspections are often haphazard, kitchens are frequently cleaned up just before inspections and let go between them; and inspectors are often either too undertrained, overworked, and/or subject to the effects of a few bills slipped into a pocket.

As a libertarian, I'd like to see a private accreditation agency handling inspections. Restaurants that have passed can display their credentials, and I'd be far less likely to eat at one that didn't have said credentials displayed. That would also result in a higher degree of public accountability for the accrediting agency, and fewer nonsense regulations, than are currently the case with government agencies.

 

[Mojo]

Isn't it disgraceful that the gubmint is interfering with our freedom to be poisoned and ripped off?

 

[slingblade]

The Jungle is a woo-woo work of fiction and fantasy based on hearsay, fallacious reasoning, and stuff just being made up. It worthless, and it's laughable that so many skeptics are behind it.

Oh, and those handy little dining 'zines? Hardly ubiquitous, and utterly meaningless. They don't include health reports, just menus.

Gads.

 

[slingblade]

I tend to agree with you in general on this issue. However, knowing what I do about government inspectors, I still wouldn't trust them quite as much. I pretty much just assume that I'm taking a risk any time I go out to eat. Inspections are often haphazard, kitchens are frequently cleaned up just before inspections and let go between them; and inspectors are often either too undertrained, overworked, and/or subject to the effects of a few bills slipped into a pocket.

As a libertarian, I'd like to see a private accreditation agency handling inspections. Restaurants that have passed can display their credentials, and I'd be far less likely to eat at one that didn't have said credentials displayed. That would also result in a higher degree of public accountability for the accrediting agency, and fewer nonsense regulations, than are currently the case with government agencies.

You think that somehow a a private accreditation agency would be immune from bribery? How so?

Also, how do you know a private agency would "result in a higher degree" of accountability? That seems to imply inherency, and I just don't see it.

 

[shanek]

You think that somehow a a private accreditation agency would be immune from bribery? How so?

Ask UL: They've never had a problem with their people accepting bribes...at least not for long. Unlike government, they have an incentive to do as good a job as possible.

Also, how do you know a private agency would "result in a higher degree" of accountability? That seems to imply inherency, and I just don't see it.

Again, look at UL.

(Here come the excuses about how UL is somehow "different"...)

 

[peptoabysmal]

Swearing might be a little tough for Jesus. After all, God d**ned mother f**ker would be redundant and circular.

You heard it here first. A recursive curse is the worst.

 

[Mycroft]

The classic whining of the lazy and irresponsible. You know those little diner guides every city has? Most of the ones I've seen are even free.

Yeah, you know those little diner guides every city has? They're paid advertising for the restaurants listed inside. There is no reviewer who visits each restaurants and decides which ones are best to highlight for the city. It's a telemarketer who sets up appointments for a sales guy to sell a listing to the restaurants owner.

The printing and distribution costs are more than paid for by the fees the restaurants pay for their listings. The only requirement needed to get into these guides are that someone answered the phone when the telemarketer called, and someone wrote the check to the sales guy.

 

[Darat]

Prove it.

The fact that we had no regulations at one time and that allowed activities such as diluting milk with water and chalk and selling it on as milk (See: Mass Listeria, Theodore Dalrymple) and because of those types of un-regulated activities food safety laws were passed.

 

[TragicMonkey]

The fact that we had no regulations at one time and that allowed activities such as diluting milk with water and chalk and selling it on as milk (See: Mass Listeria, Theodore Dalrymple) and because of those types of un-regulated activities food safety laws were passed.

Not to mention what they used to dilute alcohol with. Benzene, for starters. Yum yum!

 

[Darat]

Not to mention what they used to dilute alcohol with. Benzene, for starters. Yum yum!

Yep - when you back to pre-food safety laws it gets rather nasty.

 

[Ed]

Ask UL: They've never had a problem with their people accepting bribes...at least not for long. Unlike government, they have an incentive to do as good a job as possible.



Again, look at UL.

(Here come the excuses about how UL is somehow "different"...)

The use of UL "approved" (approved after they are paid for testing) electrical components is mandated by the government for building. What is you point? That they are independent? Do you think that if the government did not force their "services" on the public they would be in business?