Is a true fascist about to win the election in earth's fifth most populated country?

[NWO Sentryman]

The “metaphysics” of Beethoven? Galas? The decline of the liberal world order? Are these your new catchphrases?

I was talking about how the systems set up after world war 2 are beginning to crumble (look at how trump is going to force the world trade organisation to a standstill and is mocking international institutions in ways that even Bush balked at), while the leadership of the European union is acting like the aristocracy of 1780s France, ignorant of how everything can come crashing down.

 

[baron]

Overseeing a shrinking economy, double-digit inflation, a rise in violent crime, one of the biggest government corruption scandals in recorded history, having their prime candidate in jail and his replacement presenting himself as a stand-in for the incarcerated guy rather than a political force of his own.

But apart from that...



I don't know much about this character but I heard he wants to deforest the rainforests. That's enough for me, someone needs to take him out.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Just found a puzzle piece to the strong religious angle in this. His full name. It's

Jair Messias Bolsonaro

Halleluja!

 

[Eddie Dane]

You quote me saying it would be hard to say it would be hard. Yes, it would be hard. Like I said: That's why we can't let fascists get elected.

You're saying its hard. I'm saying it's impossible.

I see the need, but not the solution.

Maybe sanctions would work in response to accelerated logging? Everybody on this planet breathes air. Maybe we finally have a topic on which we can get a kind of global consensus. it's less abstract than global warming. And less open to pseudo-scientific distortions.

 

[Eddie Dane]

But apart from that...



I don't know much about this character but I heard he wants to deforest the rainforests. That's enough for me, someone needs to take him out.

I think he starts in January, let's see what he actually does.

 

[Eddie Dane]

The eu still seems to think that discussing the metaphysics of Beethoven at lavish galas is enough to stop the far right.

They are a tad out of touch.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Invade a huge country that consists mostly of jungle to remove a now popular democratically elected leader who probably has full support from his capable military? Sounds like a great plan!

Let us know how it went.

Democracy isn't dead (yet) in Brazil. Maybe the bastard gets removed by the voters in the next elections.

If he is half as bad as it is said, he won't need to win any more elections to stay in power. If he shores up power, especially by bringing the police and military under his personal command, he can do away with such things as elections. Or, if a less heavy hand is needed, simply arrest and murder any opposition leaders.

 

[Eddie Dane]

If he is half as bad as it is said, he won't need to win any more elections to stay in power. If he shores up power, especially by bringing the police and military under his personal command, he can do away with such things as elections. Or, if a less heavy hand is needed, simply arrest and murder any opposition leaders.

If he's confident that he's doing a good job, he might take the chance of elections instead of the huge gamble of a coup. Autocratic leaders are very likely to overestimate their popularity (tunnel vision, groupthink, sycophants). Hell, most ordinary people believe they belong to a silent majority.

Pinochet even approved a referendum on his rule. Which he lost.

Bolsenaro has a lot of potential for going full fascist, but for now, he's a democratically elected blowhard.

 

[AnonyMoose]

I don't know much about this character but I heard he wants to deforest the rainforests. That's enough for me, someone needs to take him out.

Yup.

One of the many many... many potential dangers of allowing an extremist right-wing nutbag to sit in the driver's seat of an entire country.

Top 3 dangers:

1) Theocratic Fascism
2) War
3) Decimation of flora and fauna for the purpose of corporate/personal gains

 

[dudalb]

When sanity returns to the US, it might be time for a UN-led invasion if Bolsanaro does what he says he will.

As much as I dislike Bolsanario, that is a terrible idea. I am not crazy about the UN having the power to displace legally elected national governments.

 

[dudalb]

I was talking about how the systems set up after world war 2 are beginning to crumble (look at how trump is going to force the world trade organisation to a standstill and is mocking international institutions in ways that even Bush balked at), while the leadership of the European union is acting like the aristocracy of 1780s France, ignorant of how everything can come crashing down.

You know, the kind of "We're doomed and there is nothing we can do about it" dogma you have been peddling here fo rsome time does nothing but aid the Trumps of the world.

 

[Diablo]

There seem to be some what I would call populist, nationalist leaders atm. Trump, Erdogan, Putin, Duterte and now this guy in Brazil. Maybe the Chinese leader fits there too. I don't know if its a trend, or just some opportunists grabbing power.

Whatever, it's worrying.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

You know, the kind of "We're doomed and there is nothing we can do about it" dogma you have been peddling here fo rsome time does nothing but aid the Trumps of the world.

I'm trying to think of a way they can be routed but honestly we passed the point of no return some time ago.

 

[Childlike Empress]

The Atlantic Council scumbags are ready to help Bolsonaro "to deliver on campaign promises as Brazilians hope high."

Hahaha, the disgusting enablers deleted the tweet. Someone must have pointed out to them how it looks to people with at least some morals. Of course a screenshot was saved.

 

[dann]

I don't know much about this character but I heard he wants to deforest the rainforests. That's enough for me, someone needs to take him out.

I heard of this guy in a country north of Brazil who doesn't believe in global warming:
'What me worry? Fossil fuels: Full speed ahead!'
Wanna take him out, too?!

 

[angrysoba]

I'm trying to think of a way they can be routed but honestly we passed the point of no return some time ago.

Why have we passed the point of no return? What makes the slide to rabid nationalism inevitable? Who do you think you are, Hari Seldon?

 

[dudalb]

Why have we passed the point of no return? What makes the slide to rabid nationalism inevitable? Who do you think you are, Hari Seldon?

I suspect somebody has been reading too many of those YA dystopian novels, with a good dash of angst and the kind of despair fashionable in certain intellectual circles thrown in.
And of course saying something is inevitable sort of lets you off the hook when it comes to getting off you butt and at least trying to do something about it.

You know the "resistence is futile! Prepare to be assimilated" kind of thing.

 

[dudalb]

There seem to be some what I would call populist, nationalist leaders atm. Trump, Erdogan, Putin, Duterte and now this guy in Brazil. Maybe the Chinese leader fits there too. I don't know if its a trend, or just some opportunists grabbing power.

Whatever, it's worrying.

The Chinese leader is not a populist, he is more a classic authoratrain leader who came up through the ranks of the Chinese bureaucracy, and I suspect he sits on a uneasy throne;the Politbureau can remove him at any time. A different species of authoritarian leader then the others. He never had to actually go to the polls with a chance of defeat.

 

[dudalb]

Only way I would support intenvention against Bosalarino, is if he became aggressive..not unknown to Fascist leaders,and attacked another country. As long as he confines his attentions to Brazil, better to just let him dig his own eventuall grave when the Brazillian people relaise they have been had.

 

[Eddie Dane]

Only way I would support intenvention against Bosalarino, is if he became aggressive..not unknown to Fascist leaders,and attacked another country. As long as he confines his attentions to Brazil, better to just let him dig his own eventuall grave when the Brazillian people relaise they have been had.

It is totally unpredictable where this will go.

If he's really going to hit Brazil's complex problems with the warhammer, anything is possible. There are millions of poor shanty-town dwellers with no options. Simply repressing them could easily go seriously wrong. Those places are full of heavily armed gangs. Push them too much and you have a huge hillside Gaza overlooking every major city.

The gangs deserve everything they get, but he better throw some education, sanitation and jobs in the mix for the population. All stick and no carrot is a recipe for disaster.