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Birthright Citizenship

Chiming in another vote that citizenship should be assigned to that of the birth parents, not the Nation that you happened to plop out in.

I remember that martial arts legend and actor Bruce Lee was born in the US while his parents were touring here with (I think) a Chinese Opera from Hong Kong, where he was raised. When he grew up, he moved to America with his birth certificate and declaring citizenship. Just seems a capricious way of becoming a citizen.
 
Baylor said:
We already have a bunch of stateless kids in our country. Democrats call them "Dreamers."
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We've always had them.and the only reason we have 'dreamers' is the GOP refuses to address the problem.
 
Baylor said:
Yes but they don't know or even speak the language of their home country, effectively rendering them stateless.
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Not what "stateless" means, of course. But keep redefining words as you see fit.
 
Cavemonster said:
There would probably be SOME number of stateless children. Not every country automatically confers citizenship by descent.
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Yes, probably some smallish number.

But honestly, I think a problem similar to the dreamers would be bad enough. While they may technically have citizenship somewhere, it would be a country they may have never seen and may not even speak the language of. They would be a group we invest in 18 years of education for, only to have them not be able to fully participate and fullfill our investment.
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I'm not arguing the point.
 
Thermal said:
Chiming in another vote that citizenship should be assigned to that of the birth parents, not the Nation that you happened to plop out in.

I remember that martial arts legend and actor Bruce Lee was born in the US while his parents were touring here with (I think) a Chinese Opera from Hong Kong, where he was raised. When he grew up, he moved to America with his birth certificate and declaring citizenship. Just seems a capricious way of becoming a citizen.
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Yeah, who'd want Bruce Lee as a citizen of their country? What a loser nobody he was!
 
acbytesla said:
I think we need your help to understand what you meant by saying it 'barely cleared the bar'.
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Full context for those that aren't bothering to 'even read the thread.' :rolleyes:

theprestige said:
Cavemonster said:
Personally I think there is a bar for just about ANY legislation that it needs to address a serious harm productively or provide a serious tangible good.
When talking about changing the constitution, that bar is raised much higher.
I have a hard time seeing that birthright citizenship creates such a major harm to justify such a fundamental legal change.
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Birthright citizenship was introduced in the 14th Amendment. If the amendment itself didn't bother to clear the bar, why should repealing the amendment have to clear the bar?
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Baylor said:
But they did. Trump was willing to give them citizenship for the wall. The dems balked.
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What an offer!

I'll do the decent thing, but only if you agree to throw billions of dollars to me so that I can throw them away in a pointless gesture that appeals to my base.

Those Democratic scoundrels, thinking that doing the decent thing shouldn't require a bribe!
 
carlitos said:
Full context for those that aren't bothering to 'even read the thread.' :rolleyes:
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You have a point. Theprestige quoted Cavemonster's post, but I'm afraid I skimmed over the quotation.

Careful reading would've made his point obvious. My fault.
 
phiwum said:
What an offer!

I'll do the decent thing, but only if you agree to throw billions of dollars to me so that I can throw them away in a pointless gesture that appeals to my base.

Those Democratic scoundrels, thinking that doing the decent thing shouldn't require a bribe!
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Very pointless, since the main issue with illegal immigrants is that they come in by road but overstay their welcome.
 
Belz... said:
Wasn't the 14th Amendment introduced by Republicans?
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Thermal said:
Chiming in another vote that citizenship should be assigned to that of the birth parents, not the Nation that you happened to plop out in.

I remember that martial arts legend and actor Bruce Lee was born in the US while his parents were touring here with (I think) a Chinese Opera from Hong Kong, where he was raised. When he grew up, he moved to America with his birth certificate and declaring citizenship. Just seems a capricious way of becoming a citizen.
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Sure it is. But it's not like that's what his parents were thinking when they came to the US. Lee lived his entire childhood in China and was a child actor there. He came to the US not to stay but for his education. He taught martial arts which led to his tv and movie career in the US.
 
acbytesla said:
Sure it is. But it's not like that's what his parents were thinking when they came to the US. Lee lived his entire childhood in China and was a child actor there. He came to the US not to stay but for his education. He taught martial arts which led to his tv and movie career in the US.
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I know. It's the mechanism that stuck me as odd. When the 14th amendment's birthright provision was set up, it was with a mind to confer citizenship to former slaves, IIRC. That provision is certainly obsolete, no?
 
Baylor said:
But they did. Trump was willing to give them citizenship for the wall. The dems balked.
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The WALL is STUPID. Seriously ******* STUPID. Hundreds of billions of dollars to build a monstrosity which will not solve illegal immigration.
Don't you get that? The problem isn't people who cross the desert. The problem is people who overstay their visas.

That's why the Dems don't want to do it. And BTW, most Republicans in Congress also think it's a stupid idea. Any support it has is mostly kowtowing to Trump and his moronic followers.
 
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