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Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

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Or, to put it another way - this is funny as ****. I don't know whether I hope this new company is a scam, whether I hope it's someone who's just trolling, or whether I hope it's Mills himself. Whichever it is, it's hilarious.



Well, if it's a troll, it's a very dedicated one. Patent applications cost thousands of dollars, and they've been pursuing that one I posted for 10 years. There were about 6 examiner's reports, and it eventually went to the USPTO's appeal board before it was granted. It's rare to put that amount of effort into any patent application, let alone one you think is a joke.

So I'd bet they are an honest scam artist, looking to horn in on BLP's shtick.
 
Well, if it's a troll, it's a very dedicated one. Patent applications cost thousands of dollars, and they've been pursuing that one I posted for 10 years. There were about 6 examiner's reports, and it eventually went to the USPTO's appeal board before it was granted. It's rare to put that amount of effort into any patent application, let alone one you think is a joke.

So I'd bet they are an honest scam artist, looking to horn in on BLP's shtick.

I'm a little surprised they didn't put more effort into their website, then. Still, kudos. It's not like Mills can call them out and say "hey, it's all a load of bollocks, really!", and I doubt he'd actually want to try to enforce any of his patents, because that would undoubtedly bring more scrutiny.
 
...and I doubt he'd actually want to try to enforce any of his patents, because that would undoubtedly bring more scrutiny.



Oh, absolutely. I'll make another prediction here: We will never see BLP sue anyone over patent infringement, even if BLP gets a patent issued, and the other party is clearly infringing.


For guys like this, patents aren't about protecting their intellectual property, they're props in their act, used only to soothe any doubts that might occur to their "investors". "Of course we're legitimate! We've got patents, they don't give those out to just anybody!" Free energy scammers (and other types of scammers) have been pulling this trick for decades.
 
No reset. The SunCell is here to stay. Why? Because it has attained the high and sustained power densities required to go commercial.
It's a shame the Yahoo Group was deleted and not just closed. Most members received emails and would have kept messages from Mills they deemed important.

The historical video timeline of progress of the SunCell from early 2014 to present remains intact as recorded on BLP's Youtube channel. Mills himself has replied to some comments in some of those videos, but I've noticed he has not done so for many months now afaik.

Where can I buy one?
 
Where can I buy one?

Well it now has the power density required for commercialization, in fact it develops so much power that that no device can possibly be engineered (by BLP) to contain it!

Eventually Mills will realize that mankind is not mature enough to handle the power of the Hydrino and will quietly bury the SunCell before it is too late.
 
Given some of the earlier announcements, you should be able to pick one up at your local Woolworths.

Dave

Sears had an exclusive distribution contract. I hear that contract is one of the most valuable assets Sears has going into bankruptcy liquidation.
 
Horizon documentary from the 90s, which features Mills

The 5 minutes starting at 21 minutes in is where Mills is featured. For a BBC documentary from the 90s, there's not a lot of scepticism.

I find a couple of things worthy of note. The first is that, given that this is supposed to be a process that is so difficult to make happen, it seems to be remarkably easy - put nickel electrodes in water and run a current though it. Seems to me that this is something many of us could attempt to replicate for ourselves.

The second is that the third guy to talk about it says that they're trying to scale the reaction up to make it commercially viable. However Robert Schaubach says that if you put in 1W of power, you generate 10W of energy. You can buy 10W generators now

So why isn't that 10W generator commercially viable as is? You only need 1W to get it started, then feed a 10th of the power back to the input and keep it topped up with water.
 
Horizon documentary from the 90s, which features Mills

The 5 minutes starting at 21 minutes in is where Mills is featured. For a BBC documentary from the 90s, there's not a lot of scepticism.

I find a couple of things worthy of note. The first is that, given that this is supposed to be a process that is so difficult to make happen, it seems to be remarkably easy - put nickel electrodes in water and run a current though it. Seems to me that this is something many of us could attempt to replicate for ourselves.

The second is that the third guy to talk about it says that they're trying to scale the reaction up to make it commercially viable. However Robert Schaubach says that if you put in 1W of power, you generate 10W of energy. You can buy 10W generators now

So why isn't that 10W generator commercially viable as is? You only need 1W to get it started, then feed a 10th of the power back to the input and keep it topped up with water.
This is where it all keeps breaking down, the claims of success means these should be everywhere by now. Cheap to fuel I. E. fill up with water 10w generators started by a handcrank would be revolutionary, every slum dwelling in the world could have had lights, could have had communications. Yet it never happened.
 
This is where it all keeps breaking down, the claims of success means these should be everywhere by now. Cheap to fuel I. E. fill up with water 10w generators started by a handcrank would be revolutionary, every slum dwelling in the world could have had lights, could have had communications. Yet it never happened.

It is not exactly a complicated bit of equipment either, and if it were real it should be very easy to build and produce.
 
It is not exactly a complicated bit of equipment either, and if it were real it should be very easy to build and produce.

That one turned out not to be real. And the one after that and even the one after that. But rest assured that according to Mills the current one definitely works! (Other than a few minor niggling problems that will be fixed any day now.)
 
This is where it all keeps breaking down, the claims of success means these should be everywhere by now. Cheap to fuel I. E. fill up with water 10w generators started by a handcrank would be revolutionary, every slum dwelling in the world could have had lights, could have had communications. Yet it never happened.


Not so simple. Required hydrogen gas as fuel, lots and lots of nickel tubing, potassium carbonate catalyst and of course electricity to heat the tubing, not to mention the device itself which had to have safety measures to ensure H2 gas didn't accumulate at the top and lead to potential explosion.
Given that overhead, and the device producing just watts of low grade heat (not electricity), it's not going to be marketable let alone something practical in the slums of the world. To its credit Thermacore took it a bit further from Mills' original idea but in the end still couldn't surmount the low power density inherent in that early iteration of hydrino chemistry.
 
Not so simple. Required hydrogen gas as fuel, lots and lots of nickel tubing, potassium carbonate catalyst and of course electricity to heat the tubing, not to mention the device itself which had to have safety measures to ensure H2 gas didn't accumulate at the top and lead to potential explosion.
Given that overhead, and the device producing just watts of low grade heat (not electricity), it's not going to be marketable let alone something practical in the slums of the world. To its credit Thermacore took it a bit further from Mills' original idea but in the end still couldn't surmount the low power density inherent in that early iteration of hydrino chemistry.
You do known that is complete nonsense? It produced 10 Watts of energy for every watt of input, fueled by water according to the claims.

You really have no idea do you of what his many claims of success would have really meant if they were true?

He really would have become the most famous scientist of all time, and become the saviour of mankind. And I am not exaggerating.

But all that depended on one thing, his many, many and even more many claims of successes being true.

Sadly for all of us, none of his claims are true.
 
"Required hydrogen gas as fuel, lots and lots of nickel tubing, potassium carbonate catalyst and of course electricity to heat the tubing, not to mention the device itself which had to have safety measures to ensure H2 gas didn't accumulate at the top and lead to potential explosion."

Wow. /s
So complex. I expect the last 20 years they have been just working on the H2 gas vent.
 
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Not so simple. Required hydrogen gas as fuel, lots and lots of nickel tubing, potassium carbonate catalyst and of course electricity to heat the tubing, not to mention the device itself which had to have safety measures to ensure H2 gas didn't accumulate at the top and lead to potential explosion.

Given that overhead, and the device producing just watts of low grade heat (not electricity), it's not going to be marketable let alone something practical in the slums of the world. To its credit Thermacore took it a bit further from Mills' original idea but in the end still couldn't surmount the low power density inherent in that early iteration of hydrino chemistry.


Yet again, you depict Mills as a complete moron while trying to defend him.

If the Mills claims were true the high schoolers at the average Makerspace could surmount those technical challenges and build a commercially viable generator.

Getting 10 units of energy from 1 unit of input with water as the fuel may seem small compared to burning gasoline but you’re ignoring the fact that PRODUCING gasoline requires a huge infrastructure that distilling water and performing hydrolysis does not.

If Mills gave up on the tech because of the 10 to 1 power generation then he is, to be kind, a complete idiot with no business running a business.
 
Not so simple. Required hydrogen gas as fuel, lots and lots of nickel tubing, potassium carbonate catalyst and of course electricity to heat the tubing, not to mention the device itself which had to have safety measures to ensure H2 gas didn't accumulate at the top and lead to potential explosion.
Given that overhead, and the device producing just watts of low grade heat (not electricity), it's not going to be marketable let alone something practical in the slums of the world. To its credit Thermacore took it a bit further from Mills' original idea but in the end still couldn't surmount the low power density inherent in that early iteration of hydrino chemistry.
No such thing as hydrinos, thus no such thing as hydrino chemistry.

We have been going around and around for over a year here and STILL NOT ONE BIT OF EVIDENCE OF A SINGLE HYDRINO EVER.

Go back to basics Markie. Find the hydrino first before giving it characteristics in chemistry. First you take the hydrino, then observe how it reacts to other atoms and compounds under various conditions.

Your post is almost identical to Big Foot searchers who have determined what a bigfoot call sounds like...oh really? Don't you think you need find a bigfoot first? Then listen to the sounds it makes? Then you'll know a bigfoot call. Until then it's all hysteria.

Mills has made a similar mistake... or possibly Mills knew all along but he cons others into that mistake.
 
Yet again, you depict Mills as a complete moron while trying to defend him.

If the Mills claims were true the high schoolers at the average Makerspace could surmount those technical challenges and build a commercially viable generator.

Getting 10 units of energy from 1 unit of input with water as the fuel may seem small compared to burning gasoline but you’re ignoring the fact that PRODUCING gasoline requires a huge infrastructure that distilling water and performing hydrolysis does not.

If Mills gave up on the tech because of the 10 to 1 power generation then he is, to be kind, a complete idiot with no business running a business.


As a real-world illustration of this point, one of the Kickstarter projects I backed recently is for a lantern powered by a candle. It uses a burning candle as a source of heat, uses the heat to power a thermoelectric generator, and uses the electricity to power LEDs.

Huh? Why do that, instead of just using the light from the candle? Especially given that thermoelectric generators are only about 5% efficient, and a lot of the heat is going to escape before even getting to the generator, and LEDs are less than 50% efficient themselves. Well, it turns out that a burning candle flame puts out about 80 Watts of heat, and even with all those inefficiencies, you can get about 130 lumens from the LED. That's about 10 times as much light the candle flame itself puts out.

That tenfold increase, at very low power levels, is worth the complexity and capital cost of the unit, assuming (which is the risk I'm taking as a Kickstarter backer) that the unit works reliably as designed. It will be a useful part of my power outage (medium-term off-grid living) kit. Candles are way more expensive per kilowatt-hour than grid power (about $2 vs. about $.10), but not nearly as expensive as single-use batteries, which can easily cost $100 or more per kilowatt hour.

Would I buy a device requiring a reaction cell, lots of nickel tubing, some potassium carbonate, and some heating elements, that would produce a mere 90 steady usable Watts from water? As it happens I'm pricing out battery and solar panel options to achieve just about that level of steady power availability (2.1 kilowatt-hours per day) under bad-case conditions (e.g. overcast winter days), because that's a threshold level for keeping a small refrigerator going, along with a few hours a day of Internet access and all the USB device charging I would need. The cost for that capability ends up well over $5,000; more if you want the system to last under steady use (requiring a lot of additional battery capacity to avoid deep-cycling the batteries). And the system will still require a lot of care and maintenance to keep it ready for use, and even more when in actual use.

What was in that fully operational mid-90's Mills design, that would have cost more than half that (allowing for a retail markup) to mass-produce? Some nickel tubing? No.

For comparison, consider what a gas-burning home hot water heater requires. A glass-lined vessel that holds tens of gallons under pressure, a high-temperature combustion chamber, electronic systems for temperature control and safe condition monitoring, a thermocouple to power the electronics, pressure safety valves, a magnesium sacrificial anode, copper pressure fittings, and more. Yet they don't retail for anything close to $5,000.
 
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