Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[Horatius]

Sounds like we will either get another reset, or a bail.

I'm betting on a reset and a continuation.

After all, it has worked well for 30 years.

He's never had to produce anything useful, he's always managed to get uncritical news reports out there, and he's brought in lots of money.

Yeah, I don't think he'll bail until one of his resets just doesn't work, and no new suckers pony up cash. After all, why give up a good scam? Regular people might like to retire someday, but since he's under no real pressure to produce actual results, why not just keep scamming for as long as he can?

 

[WhatRoughBeast]

No reset. The SunCell is here to stay. Why? Because it has attained the high and sustained power densities required to go commercial.

Oh my sweet Lord. Markie, could you at least keep a thought in your head for the briefest of moments? Or how about develop a sense of shame?

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These days Mills is working at much lower power densities in order to keep the apparatus intact over long time frames.

So the SunCell is here to stay because it runs at high and sustained powers, but Mills is not working at those powers because the apparatus does not remain intact. In that case, how (exactly) is the SunCell "here to stay" ?

So, which is it? High power is required for commercial application, or low power ("much lower") is required to preserve the equipment? If Mills cannot upgrade the equipment to handle the higher power levels (and the last admission of failure/change of direction was on exactly those grounds), how can the "required to go commercial" power levels be claimed as practical and commercially viable?

This was a new low, even for you. Please pick a claim and stick with it.

 

[markie]

Oh my sweet Lord. Markie, could you at least keep a thought in your head for the briefest of moments? Or how about develop a sense of shame?

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So the SunCell is here to stay because it runs at high and sustained powers, but Mills is not working at those powers because the apparatus does not remain intact. In that case, how (exactly) is the SunCell "here to stay" ?

So, which is it? High power is required for commercial application, or low power ("much lower") is required to preserve the equipment? If Mills cannot upgrade the equipment to handle the higher power levels (and the last admission of failure/change of direction was on exactly those grounds), how can the "required to go commercial" power levels be claimed as practical and commercially viable?

This was a new low, even for you. Please pick a claim and stick with it.

Huh? The two statements are not mutually incompatible. A SunCell running at much lower power density that that which melted the earlier demonstration devices of 2016 still easily has enough power density to be commercially viable.

 

[Dave Rogers]

A SunCell running at much lower power density that that which melted the earlier demonstration devices of 2016 still easily has enough power density to be commercially viable.

And yet we all know that, for some extraneous reason, probably involving the failure of some supplier to deliver a critical part based on technology that has been available off the shelf for decades, yet again it won't make that crucial step to the point where there's anything that can be tested without having signed an NDA. Heat exchanger, cooling system, some means of turning heat into electricity - what will it be this time? We're all waiting breathlessly to find out.

Dave

 

[Darat]

And yet we all know that, for some extraneous reason, probably involving the failure of some supplier to deliver a critical part based on technology that has been available off the shelf for decades, yet again it won't make that crucial step to the point where there's anything that can be tested without having signed an NDA. Heat exchanger, cooling system, some means of turning heat into electricity - what will it be this time? We're all waiting breathlessly to find out.

Dave

But he's posted a badly shot video on YouTube that glowed and everything for almost a full whole second! How can you still doubt this will be ready to comercially ship in 1998 99 2000 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 I4 15 16 17 18 2019?

 

[halleyscomet]

Huh? The two statements are not mutually incompatible. A SunCell running at much lower power density that that which melted the earlier demonstration devices of 2016 still easily has enough power density to be commercially viable.

They have to be mutually incompatible. Your argument contradicts the claims that Mills used to justify abandoning the tech he claimed was working and ready for mass production back in the 1990s.

You are quite literally calling Mills a liar with your attempt to defend him.

 

[Mike!]

They have to be mutually incompatible. Your argument contradicts the claims that Mills used to justify abandoning the tech he claimed was working and ready for mass production back in the 1990s.

You are quite literally calling Mills a liar with your attempt to defend him.

Yeah, but he's calling him a liar in a good way, so it's okay.

 

[Myriad]

A wood-burning stove made of wood is a viable way to produce over-unity heat. We just have to find the right combustion rate. Too fast and the stove breaks down quickly; too slow and there's not enough extra heat to be useful. But there's got to be a sweet spot somewhere.

 

[Dave Rogers]

A wood-burning stove made of wood is a viable way to produce over-unity heat. We just have to find the right combustion rate. Too fast and the stove breaks down quickly; too slow and there's not enough extra heat to be useful. But there's got to be a sweet spot somewhere.

Unfortunately, though we've found a very promising combination, we're unable to market it at present because the sub-contractor engaged to deliver a means of initiating combustion has run into technical problems and is unable to deliver a viable sub-system. We're putting up 50% of the money needed to look into this problem, and we're now seeking partners for match funding.

Dave

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

He's been beaten to it[/url

We have invented a patented, proprietary device (shown in the image here) that:
is dramatically more efficient than current methods

is highly economical

is easily scalable

uses treated water as a fuel

Our invention, named an Ionized Gas Reactor (IGR), creates a highly energized environment that has internal temperatures comparable to temperatures measured at the surface of the sun.

The IGR injects water molecules into this environment, where they are literally bombarded with free electrons and ions, and, in mere milliseconds, are reduced to their base elements, causing the energy encased within them to be released.
Years of steadfast research and careful evaluation continue to show that the IGR, by efficiently releasing energy from water, as described, produces significant amounts of heat energy — in excess of what was predicted.

[url=https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f4/13/3c/062dd9a94ba46d/US20180282157A1.pdf]Here's the patent

You'll note that the patent says that the energy is generated by putting hydrogen into a fractional state, and explicitly says it's hydrinos they're generating in order to create the power.

It seems that Mills has spent so much time fannying around looking for perfection that someone else has gone and created a fully-working reactor that is ready for commercialisation right now.

 

[jrhowell]

It seems that Mills has spent so much time fannying around looking for perfection that someone else has gone and created a fully-working reactor that is ready for commercialisation right now.

I won't believe it until I see a Youtube video with bright flashes!

Extra points if the device melts.

 

[Horatius]

He's been beaten to it[/url



[url=https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/f4/13/3c/062dd9a94ba46d/US20180282157A1.pdf]Here's the patent

You'll note that the patent says that the energy is generated by putting hydrogen into a fractional state, and explicitly says it's hydrinos they're generating in order to create the power.

It seems that Mills has spent so much time fannying around looking for perfection that someone else has gone and created a fully-working reactor that is ready for commercialisation right now.

Okay, first off, "patented, proprietary device"? That's literally not what it means to have a patent.

Secondly, Bwahahahahahahhahahahahaha! God, didn't we tell him and tell him and tell him that someone else was going to notice that the BLP "patents" were complete trash, and he'd get scooped by someone else? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!


Also, that's a patent application, only recently published, but they indicate that it's a Continuation-in-part of application No . 12/168,749, which is now Pat. No. 9,994,450

As usual:

We claim:

1. A device for producing hydrogen and oxygen comprising: (a) a cathode assembly comprising a cathode electrode having a cathode tip and an electrode collar surrounding the cathode electrode forming a first flow passage and a second flow passage, the electrode collar having a first wall defining a first flow passage between the first wall and the cathode electrode configured to supply an inert gas at the cathode tip to form a high energy plasma field, and the second flow passage having a second wall and being formed between the first wall and second wall and configured to supply water and/or water vapor inside the high energy plasma field adjacent to the cathode tip, wherein the cathode tip extends beyond the end of the first and second walls; and (b) at least one anode assembly comprising an anode electrode.

2. The device of claim 1, wherein the cathode electrode comprises a cylindrical body portion and a conical nose portion having a conductive tip.

3. The device of claim 2, wherein the cylindrical body portion and the conical nose portion are comprised of one of a high temperature ceramic or an insulated metal.

4. The device of claim 1, further comprising means for internally cooling the cathode electrode and the anode electrode using a liquid coolant.

5. The device of claim 4, wherein the coolant is a non-aqueous coolant.

6. The device of claim 1, further comprising a water vapor generator.

7. The device of claim 1 wherein a plurality of anode electrodes are arranged equidistantly from the cathode assembly.

8. The device of claim 1 wherein the electrode collars are comprised of one of copper, brass or a ceramic material.

9. The device of claim 1, wherein the distance between the cathode electrode tip and the anode electrode tip is about 0.5 inches at the time that power is supplied to the device, and the distance between the cathode electrode tip and the anode electrode tip is increased to about 1.0 inch after the electric arc is formed.

10. The device of claim 1, wherein the anode has an electrode collar surrounding the anode electrode and forming at least one flow passage.

11. The device of claim 3, wherein the conductive tip is comprised of tungsten.

12. The device of claim 1, wherein an electric arc defining a magnetic containment wall extends between the cathode assembly and the at least one anode assembly and forms a contraction zone adjacent to the cathode tip inside which the water and/or water vapor is pushed and wherein the high energy plasma field is contained within the magnetic containment wall.

...the claims don't actually mention anything about Hydrinos. They've patented a fancy electrolysis cell.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

...the claims don't actually mention anything about Hydrinos. They've patented a fancy electrolysis cell.

Why "claims" specifically? Both documents mention hydrinos.

 

[Hellbound]

My reaction is more energetic:



Still working on extending the reaction time, but WAY higher energy output than Mills.

Image courtesy of By R. Clucas - http://pubs.usgs.gov/dds/dds-39/album.html and http://gallery.usgs.gov/photos/03_29_2013_otk7Nay4LH_03_29_2013_5#.UrvS2vfTnrc, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=5768911

 

[Myriad]

My reaction is more energetic:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/6875bc7941b520e8.jpg[/qimg]

Still working on extending the reaction time, but WAY higher energy output than Mills.

Image courtesy of By R. Clucas - http://pubs.usgs.gov/dds/dds-39/album.html and http://gallery.usgs.gov/photos/03_29_2013_otk7Nay4LH_03_29_2013_5#.UrvS2vfTnrc, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=5768911

Considering that water is claimed to be both the input and the output of Evaco's energy-producing reaction, if it actually worked a chain reaction (as depicted in your image) would be a likely result!

 

[Horatius]

Why "claims" specifically? Both documents mention hydrinos.

The claims define what is legally protected by the patent. Patent specifications have two major sections, the description and the claims. Under US and Canadian laws, there are very few rules limiting what can be said in the description, but the rules for the claims are much more restrictive. As such, the claims are often amended prior to the patent being issued, to overcome objections raised by the examiner, but amendments to the description are both less common, and less extensive.

That patent was originally published as application US 20090038958, and you can see some critical differences between the claims of the application, and the issued patent.

In particular, note that these claim from the application:

18. The method of claim 14, further comprising the steps of: (e) igniting the elemental hydrogen and oxygen as it exits the electrical containment field to release energy from the elemental hydrogen.

....

20. The method of claim 18, further comprising the step of: (f) using the energy produced by the elemental hydrogen and oxygen to generate electricity.

...do not appear in the issued patent.

 

[Horatius]

Looking into the prosecution of that patent, claims 18 and 20, among others, were withdrawn prior to substantive examination due to a procedural objection by the examiner, and as such, the free energy claims were never addressed by the examiner. The prosecution (about 10 years of it) revolved entirely around the physical structure of the electrolysis cell, and whether or not it was obvious in light of the prior art.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

IIRC, none of the claims on Mills' patents mention hydrinos, either.

If we assume, as we've been told, that Mills' science is legitimate and actually works, and that it's all been published in his book, then there's no reason at all why someone else can't have made a working reactor.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

There's some interesting arguments going on about this on reddit. Most people seem to accept the claims of this second company uncritically. It seems to be believed that this is the reason he shut the Yahoo group down (despite the narrative just yesterday being that it was over cryptocurrency*), and there's an argument over whether this company will be shut down for infringing on Mills' patents, or whether they will cause BrilliantLight Power to shut down because they've managed to "fall through the cracks" of what he's patented and made it so that Mills will in future have to licence part of the reaction off them.

One poster is claiming that it's not competitive because it's got a power output that Mills abandoned years ago because he didn't consider it competitive, and another is claiming that it's competitive enough to fund lots of research (gee, I wonder why Mills didn't think of that? He wouldn't have to rely on investors).

Or, to put it another way - this is funny as ****. I don't know whether I hope this new company is a scam, whether I hope it's someone who's just trolling, or whether I hope it's Mills himself. Whichever it is, it's hilarious.

I don't see it being more than a flash in the pan, but my God it's going to be funny while it lasts.

*and, BTW, why are so many of the Mills faithful also into cryptocurrencies?

 

[halleyscomet]

I don't see it being more than a flash in the pan, but my God it's going to be funny while it lasts.

Hopefully it lasts longer than a Hydrino generator.