Democrats = Antifa = BS

baron said:
I consider them as bad. They embrace Antifa ideology but baulk at joining in the violence so they shout encouragement from the sidelines, so to speak. As I say, if people want to protest against fascism there are 101 groups you can join, or ways to do it, without involving yourself with a group that is renowned for espousing violence and fascist tactics. Joining such a group - and certainly remaining within that group - says something in and of itself.

However, I suspect many members of Antifa are simply social inadequates looking to belong. The are unable to make a go of life so they seek approval using whatever means fall within their limited grasp. Don a mask, whack someone with a bike lock and hey presto, you're surrounded by friends and you're fighting for a cause. Your life has meaning and as an added bonus it gets you out of your mother's basement every Saturday.
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Have you taken your theory to any former members of the Lincoln Brigade?
 
The Shrike said:
I think I agree with all of this, but especially the first one:



I'm gobsmacked when people label the American Democratic Party as liberal and/or leftist. The Democratic National Committee is, politically, about as leftist as mainstream Republicans were during the Reagan years. Obama is demonized by the right but he was despised as a turncoat by the real left for things like drone strikes, deportation rates of illegal aliens, being way too corporate friendly, needing to "evolve" on gay marriage, etc. There is no major liberal party in the US. That's why Bernie Sanders energized so many people in 2016.
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And what would you replace the evil Captilaist system with?
 
What is scary is how many "progressives" here seem all on board with attacking anybody they deem is a "fascist".
 
dudalb said:
What is scary is how many "progressives" here seem all on board with attacking anybody they deem is a "fascist".
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Depends on the definition they use.
Which is very narrow.

It's not like groups like Patriot Prayer or Proud Boys are very secret.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
Just using your logic. Antifa are all terrorists, cops are all nazis, makes things so simple.
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They don't rate that high as a threat.

They are the left's equivalent to the white power mental defectives that showed up in operator drag to "protect" that Bundy ******* - they're just wearing different drag.
 
What it amounts to violence against people whose politics I don't like is fine, as long as the people I support are the ones commiting the violence.
 
BStrong said:
They don't rate that high as a threat.

They are the left's equivalent to the white power mental defectives that showed up in operator drag to "protect" that Bundy ******* - they're just wearing different drag.
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What is disturbing to me is how many mainstream Progressives here seem to support Antifa when they turn violent....
 
dudalb said:
What is disturbing to me is how many mainstream Progressives here seem to support Antifa when they turn violent....
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It's a variation of the Latin phrase in my Sig - War (violence) is only sweet to those who have no knowledge of it.
 
dudalb said:
What it amounts to violence against people whose politics I don't like is fine, as long as the people I support are the ones commiting the violence.
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not necessarily.
Historically, those more to the left have been much quicker in condemning violence from their side of the spectrum than those on the right have.
 
BStrong said:
They don't rate that high as a threat.

They are the left's equivalent to the white power mental defectives that showed up in operator drag to "protect" that Bundy ******* - they're just wearing different drag.
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And of course are far less violent and kill vastly fewer people but at least those guys have the cops on their side. What cop wants to arrest some fellow traveling white supremacist anyway? That is why they let them go until the videos by the antifa get out. Then suddenly they want to arrest them for the crimes they committed.
 
dudalb said:
What is disturbing to me is how many mainstream Progressives here seem to support Antifa when they turn violent....
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It is amazing that so many mainstream conservatives here are happy to let the police murder people with near impunity but there you go.
 
ahhell said:
No, but comparing American NAZIs of now to that of the German NAZI's of the 1930s and 40s is no less silly as comparing modern antifa to Stalinists of 1930s Russia.

So, what is the goal of antifa? If its just to oppose fascism, I don't see much value in that. If its to actually stop fascists from gaining power or influence, that's worthwhile but I don't see much evidence that antifa's methods being all that effective and seem to be rather counter productive.
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It is to stop fascists from gaining power or influence. I don't think their methods are counter productive. They helped drive the Nazis underground again after Charlottesville. Nowadays the alt-right fascists are glad to get 20 people show up at their rallies, and they are always drowned out by the counter-protesters.
 
ponderingturtle said:
And of course are far less violent and kill vastly fewer people but at least those guys have the cops on their side. What cop wants to arrest some fellow traveling white supremacist anyway? That is why they let them go until the videos by the antifa get out. Then suddenly they want to arrest them for the crimes they committed.
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Proving my point that ridicule hits authoritarians of any stripe harder than blows.

You can't deal with the fact that antifa is a bunch of marginal idiots functionally no different than the marginal idiots they claim to be "protecting" us from.

Just be honest enough to admit it. You're in favor of vigilante mob violence with the proviso that you approve of who the victims are. I know plenty of right wing idiots that agree with you.
 
uke2se said:
It is to stop fascists from gaining power or influence. I don't think their methods are counter productive. They helped drive the Nazis underground again after Charlottesville. Nowadays the alt-right fascists are glad to get 20 people show up at their rallies, and they are always drowned out by the counter-protesters.
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And I can use those same justifcations for violence to keep "Commies" from gaining power or influence.
 
BStrong said:
Proving my point that ridicule hits authoritarians of any stripe harder than blows.

You can't deal with the fact that antifa is a bunch of marginal idiots functionally no different than the marginal idiots they claim to be "protecting" us from.

Just be honest enough to admit it. You're in favor of vigilante mob violence with the proviso that you approve of who the victims are. I know plenty of right wing idiots that agree with you.
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I cannot applaude this loudly enough.

I am no pacifist (as my sig shows) and if a Neo Nazi attacks you you have every right to defend yourself, but to go out and physically attack a person, however obnoxious,just because you don't like what he is saying is wrong,wrong,wrong.
And it is easy to advocate violence and be a heroic Revolutionary from the safety of your computer keyboard.
 
dudalb said:
And I can use those same justifcations for violence to keep "Commies" from gaining power or influence.
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No, no, NO!

LE, the military and intelligence services from socialist and communist nations have never violated anyone's rights that didn't have it coming.

Law enforcement misconduct was invented by fascists, perfected by Americans and has never been carried out by anyone other than those two groups.
 
dudalb said:
And I can use those same justifcations for violence to keep "Commies" from gaining power or influence.
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If only there were domestic "Commie" terror groups and "Commies" in the White House and "Commies" marching in the streets shouting "Capitalists will not replace us" you'd even have had a point.
 
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