Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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Meadmaker said:
So, Elizabeth Warren is not an Indian? And never claimed to be an Indian?

Which would mean that since Trump said he would pay a million to charity if the test showed she was an Indian, he doesn't have to pay up, right? I mean, legally, he doesn't have to anyway, but he isn't welching on his promise, because the test didn't show she was an Indian. It showed she had an Indian ancestor, probably, which is the same as being a small part Indian. I'm sure you will hasten to correct anyone who tries to say that Trump is welching.



It's funny to watch both sides go at it and talk past each other. I wasn't aware that The Big Dog was so sensitive about race issues. I'm sure next time a thread comes up where someone is obviously behaving in a racist manner, he'll jump right on that and condemn it.
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Dude, your middle of the road schtick grows tiresome. And it's totally cool that we all have to play everything out to the satisfaction of the DM running the Meadmakerverse. Thanks.
 
Elagabalus said:
Dude, your middle of the road schtick grows tiresome. And it's totally cool that we all have to play everything out to the satisfaction of the DM running the Meadmakerverse. Thanks.
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Thank you for sharing. I'll see what I can do to make your world a better place.
 
Meadmaker said:
So, Elizabeth Warren is not an Indian? And never claimed to be an Indian?

Which would mean that since Trump said he would pay a million to charity if the test showed she was an Indian, he doesn't have to pay up, right? I mean, legally, he doesn't have to anyway, but he isn't welching on his promise, because the test didn't show she was an Indian. It showed she had an Indian ancestor, probably, which is the same as being a small part Indian. I'm sure you will hasten to correct anyone who tries to say that Trump is welching.



It's funny to watch both sides go at it and talk past each other. I wasn't aware that The Big Dog was so sensitive about race issues. I'm sure next time a thread comes up where someone is obviously behaving in a racist manner, he'll jump right on that and condemn it.
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Dude, we've been over this.
Going back to at least 2012, Warrens claim was always partial, relatively distant ancestry. I linked you to an article from 2012, remember?

So again, as I stated before. Either Trumps statement in the bet was a lie, misrepresenting Wardens claim, gross incompetence, he failed to understand her claim before making it a major talking point, or he meant "is an indian" to align with the actual content of her claim as having partial ancestry.

The most charitable interpretation would be that he was honest and competent, thus he owes the money.
 
phiwum said:
Let me agree. Trump's ridiculous bet is, as usual, mighty ambiguous. In context, it only makes sense to think that he was challenging her to produce evidence of ancestry, since that's all she's claimed, but it's Trump, and he speaks very broadly and can weasel out of the bet without breaking a sweat.

Because he's an incoherent pussy.
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Indeed. In context it is like-:

Me: I'm going to come to work dressed as Superman for Helloween

Bob: You wouldn't dare. I'll give you £10 if you come to work as Superman.

Me (at work dressed as Superman): Where's my £10?

Bob: No I said "come to work as" Superman not "come to work dressed as", prove you can fly!
 
Cavemonster said:
Dude, we've been over this.
Going back to at least 2012, Warrens claim was always partial, relatively distant ancestry. I linked you to an article from 2012, remember?

So again, as I stated before. Either Trumps statement in the bet was a lie, misrepresenting Wardens claim, gross incompetence, he failed to understand her claim before making it a major talking point, or he meant "is an indian" to align with the actual content of her claim as having partial ancestry.

The most charitable interpretation would be that he was honest and competent, thus he owes the money.
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w: "I have a distance ancestor that was native american."

Republicans "She calling herself a Cherokee Princess!! Pocahontas!!"
 
Does anyone know the criteria for being awarded the William Schnader Professor of Law at Penn Law?
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Indeed. In context it is like-:

Me: I'm going to come to work dressed as Superman for Helloween

Bob: You wouldn't dare. I'll give you £10 if you come to work as Superman.

Me (at work dressed as Superman): Where's my £10?

Bob: No I said "come to work as" Superman not "come to work dressed as", prove you can fly!
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:p
 
thaiboxerken said:
w: "I have a distance ancestor that was native american."

Republicans "She calling herself a Cherokee Princess!! Pocahontas!!"
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Our story so far:

"Elizabeth Warren is a bad person for doing X."

"There's no evidence she did X; she did Y."

"Close enough, since nobody would do Y unless they intended to do X. Warren is a bad person and needs to apologize for doing X."
 
thaiboxerken said:
w: "I have a distance ancestor that was native american."
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False

"You can’t marry her because she’s part Cherokee and she’s part Delaware. And um, after fighting it as long as they could, my parents went off, they eloped."

E. Warren

Sounds like she is saying her mom was that ancestor.
 
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Geneticist article:

After several years of claiming Native American ancestry from family lore, and subsequent public mockery bordering on racism by President Trump, the news broke earlier this week that Senator Elizabeth Warren’s genome harbors DNA that indicates that she had at least one Native American ancestor many generations ago. In the last few days, geneticists have been arguing over the results. This is not least because there are different methods for crunching the ancestral data hidden in genomes, and, as with all good science, the validity of the methodology is being scrutinized by experts. These tests comprise huge volumes of data, profoundly complex statistical analyses, selection of techniques and interpretation. Of course, none of this is apparent in the way data are presented. Senator Warren’s results are quite possibly typical for the amount of so-called Native American DNA that millions of Americans with predominantly European heritage harbor, and more than mine, even with a named Catawba ancestor.
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One of my ancestors was a Native American, and a fraction of my DNA gets labeled as Native American. The true oddity of this situation is that the genealogy is probably right, the genetic genealogy is probably not, and neither say anything about me. The likelihood is that the section of my DNA that is identified as Native American is just noise in the system generated by poor data about Native American DNA.
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https://www.salon.com/2018/10/20/el...itage-is-irrelevant-to-identity-and-politics/
 
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The Big Dog said:
False

"You can’t marry her because she’s part Cherokee and she’s part Delaware. And um, after fighting it as long as they could, my parents went off, they eloped."

E. Warren

Sounds like she is saying her mom was that ancestor.
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Uh, no. She said her mom was PART Cherokee/PART Delaware. No where did she say she was ALL NA. You're choosing to interpret that into it. If her mom, as sane people read, was some part Delaware and some part Cherokee, that could mean it was her grandmother or great grandmother (or ...father, let's not be misandrists) somewhere back along the line who was NA.

Since they were living and passing in the 30s and the parental objection was that she was PART Delaware/Cherokee, there's no claim as to what part and when it was introduced into the family lineage. She does not claim to be a Native American. That's a strawman made up by Tucker's favorite genealogist and run with.

Conservative **** disturber interviewer: We have this woman calling herself a Cherokee but who's not on the books and only has 1/64th part of some NA blood. Is that right?

Junk Science Self-Educated Genealogist: Well, no, that wouldn't be correct.


If only Warren had claimed that. The leading question might be correct. But since Warren has only ever claimed that she had NA blood in her family history, it's a strawman leading question and the genealogists and NA activists were suckered into playing along. Typical white man speak with forked tongue exploiting the noble indigenous Americans, eh?
 
The Big Dog said:
K.

Hee hee.

/it clearly says she was Cherokee and Delaware, which:

LIE!
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A lie is not necessarily a simply false statement. It is telling a false statement one knows to be a lie. You DON'T know her statement is actually false and you don't know what she believes.

It certainly isn't a lie by any standard I'm aware of.

TBD has posted 202 times about Warren's heritage in a desperate attempt to portray her as dishonest. And not once has he condemned Trump for his OVER FIVE THOUSAND LIES.

I've asked him countless time why this absurdly minor tale by Warren warrants his outrage and non stop lies by this President not only doesn't offend him, he posts thousands of times defending. Maybe I'm missing something. But I do believe an understanding of motives is in order.
 
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Seems like the only outrage is a fella posting in bold and obsessively checking the number of my posts while going full TDS, amiright?

:thumbsup:
 
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smartcooky said:
I've highlighted and emphasised the important bit

I'm part Swiss... it doesn't mean I AM Swiss, or that I claim to be Swiss. get it now?
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But if you said you had to elope because of your Swissness? Then, yes, you are claiming heritage to the point that it's obvious to the general population.

"They were so Swiss, they had to run to the alps to get married, to avoid bigotry" is a claim of ancestry.

Get it now?
 
The Big Dog said:
Seems like the only outrage is a fella posting in bold and obsessively checking the number of my posts while going full TDS, amiright?

:thumbsup:
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Seems like someone has an issue with hypocrisy. Perhaps?

I've been asking you a very simple question why Warren's heritage warrants your attacks. You've called her a liar and a fraud over this many times. You've posted in this thread 203 times. More than anyone. You must not like deception. Is that it? Or is it that you only dislike what you can twist into some kind of deception? That is, if they are a Democrat?
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Because it seems to me these are double standards. If someone farts in your general direction and they're a Democrat, you'll shoot them. But if their name is Trump they can
take a dump all over your home and you'll clean it up.

Or is my characterization unfair?
 
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Leftus said:
But if you said you had to elope because of your Swissness? Then, yes, you are claiming heritage to the point that it's obvious to the general population.

"They were so Swiss, they had to run to the alps to get married, to avoid bigotry" is a claim of ancestry.

Get it now?
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There was no claim that it was obvious to the general population, now was there? The claim is that the parents knew and objected.

But keep on making up straw positions to argue against. It's quite entertaining.
 
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