Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

The Big Dog said:
What I said was that comparing actual abuse to utterly frivolous things like posts on the internet is an attempt to diminish the scope and importance of the event.
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The comparison between a concentration camp and a post in a forum is so obviously absurd that only an absurd t hinking —yours— can take it literally. I know, I know, it is jesuitism. But even jesuitism has its limits. Yours is a surrealist branch of jesuitism, I suppose.
 
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David Mo said:
The spectacle is grotesque.
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I think it's just desperation. He's failed so manifestly in every part of this debate, from providing evidence, through reasoned argument, to rebutting counter-arguments, that this is all he has left.
Unless anyone else thinks I'm denying human rights abuses, I'm going to leave this point as it stands. I've said all I need to say, and to keep going over the same ground with someone who clearly has no interest in honesty or reason, is futile and a waste of my time.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
I think it's just desperation. He's failed so manifestly in every part of this debate, from providing evidence, through reasoned argument, to rebutting counter-arguments, that this is all he has left.
Unless anyone else thinks I'm denying human rights abuses, I'm going to leave this point as it stands. I've said all I need to say, and to keep going over the same ground with someone who clearly has no interest in honesty or reason, is futile and a waste of my time.
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Apart from the stubbornness, I see that the Big Dog has a problem of argumentation. Apart from repeating the same cuts that do not refer to atheism, statements of atheism by the Chinese hierarchy non related to religious repression and some vague opinions by uncertain experts, he has been unable to give a single argument that links atheism with the repression of clandestine churches and the iugur minority. At times he seemed to give arguments to the contrary without realizing it. It was so grotesque that I felt like arguing against myself sometimes. I certainly would have done better.
 
David Mo said:
Apart from the stubbornness, I see that the Big Dog has a problem of argumentation. Apart from repeating the same cuts that do not refer to atheism, statements of atheism by the Chinese hierarchy non related to religious repression and some vague opinions by uncertain experts, he has been unable to give a single argument that links atheism with the repression of clandestine churches and the iugur minority. At times he seemed to give arguments to the contrary without realizing it. It was so grotesque that I felt like arguing against myself sometimes. I certainly would have done better.
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Besides from all the evidence that he has provided, he has not provided any evidence!

That is fantastic.

What is hilarious is that the sum total of arguments countering my detailed repeatedly supported by third party positions are 1. Gainsaying (see the above quoted post) 2. actual "grotesque" citations to actual Chinese propaganda (see the posts referring to China Today for example) 3. admittedly "absurd" posts that claim that my posts on the internet are worse than the actual abuse, and despite the fact that has been a theme repeatedly and frequently repeated in this thread (see the second post through the latest from Hans) the claim now is that those arguments are not serious.

"Vague opinions from uncertain experts." Pure gainsay, as I have expertly pointed out

I already told our DENIERS how they should have argued it, but they have chosen to ignore my sage advice.
 
The Big Dog said:
"Official Chinese government-backed website. Note the puzzling absence of crackdown."

equals

Using Chinese propaganda to deny Chinese human rights abuses.

End of story.
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So do you actually care about human rights?

I have asked you this question several times and you have never answered it.
 
Crossbow said:
So do you actually care about human rights?

I have asked you this question several times and you have never answered it.
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Because TBD has no answer, For exactly the same reason that he refuses to address why his pope supports the chinese regime. And why it is that he does too.
 
The Big Dog said:
Besides from all the evidence that he has provided, he has not provided any evidence!

That is fantastic.

What is hilarious is that the sum total of arguments countering my detailed repeatedly supported by third party positions are 1. Gainsaying (see the above quoted post) 2. actual "grotesque" citations to actual Chinese propaganda (see the posts referring to China Today for example) 3. admittedly "absurd" posts that claim that my posts on the internet are worse than the actual abuse, and despite the fact that has been a theme repeatedly and frequently repeated in this thread (see the second post through the latest from Hans) the claim now is that those arguments are not serious.

"Vague opinions from uncertain experts." Pure gainsay, as I have expertly pointed out

I already told our DENIERS how they should have argued it, but they have chosen to ignore my sage advice.
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I'm not interested in your opinions on what you've shown. I don't think you're a good judge of yourself or anything else. As I said, you lack the ability to argue till painful limits. An example:

Someone has quoted China Today to show how Chinese government tolerates the Catholic church under strict conditions. You begin immediately shouting: "Propaganda, propaganda! Atheists are using propaganda to justify putting 1 million Muslims in camps!" Nobody has justified anything with China Today. Someone has used this official page to show a simple evidence: Catholicism is legal in China under stern control conditions. You can even see this simple truth in Wikipedia. The quotation was correct. Your tactic is so absolutely pathetic that you should be ashamed to use it. Not because it is immoral -it is- but because it is silly.

I imagine that you are used to other audience. This shameful tactic may be successful with fanatic Christians. But here you are simply making yourself a fool. I don't know what you are intending. Your psalmody makes one angry at first. Afterwards it is boring. Finally one feels sorry for you.

NOTE: My only reason to continue with you it is that I need practising my English and I don’t find any other interesting subject to do it. This forum is a little dull recently.
 
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Crossbow said:
So do you actually care about human rights?

I have asked you this question several times and you have never answered it.
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As an American, I would think that if one really cared about the rights of Muslims one would be protesting American officials who are infringing on their rights a bit more vocally than Chinese officials. We American voters actually have a possibility to influence Trump, or vote for those who can curtail him. We have absolutely no chance of affecting Xi. Yet, some posters do all in their power to support those against freedoms for Muslims here, while making a big, showy, but impotent stink about being against a foreign dictator.

Reminds me of Matthews 6:5 in a book that TBD ought to read sometime.
 
David Mo said:
Nobody has justified anything with China Today. Someone has used this official page to show a simple evidence: Catholicism is legal in China under stern control conditions.
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What a laughable juxtaposition!

That is absolutely hilarious.

No one has justified anything with the official propaganda outlet of the CCP, they just used this "official" (LOLOL!) site as "evidence."

And work will set you free, right?
 
The Big Dog said:
China officially legalized its "vocational training centers" for Muslim Uighurs. The UN says the centers are essentially internment camps where 1 million people are being held in mass detention and told to renounce their faith and swear loyalty to President Xi Jinping.

Communist Chinese values = atheism

I can highlight too.
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Because they see it as a threat to their own rule, not because they're atheists. I'm an atheist and I don't want to prevent you from believing in and practicing your religion. Just do the same and don't step on my toes and we won't have a problem. Most atheists have no thought about imposing lack of belief.
 
The Big Dog said:
Good morning folks, while one can claim that they condemn human rights abuses, when one cites to actual Chinese propaganda attempting to justify the atrocities, one’s acts speak louder than any big red font.
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Who's done this? Who's denied that the Chinese are doing wrong and terrible things? Or can you not tell the difference between that and simply disagreeing that them doing so has nothing to do with atheism in general?
 
The Big Dog said:
What a laughable juxtaposition!

That is absolutely hilarious.

No one has justified anything with the official propaganda outlet of the CCP, they just used this "official" (LOLOL!) site as "evidence."

And work will set you free, right?
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Of course, because it is true and shows the official position of the Chinese goverment that is also a point to consider in a honest debate about the causes of religious repression in China. Of course, truth is not into your interests. You are only interested in sticking your personal and dogmatic labels and sing your neverending psalmody.

If it is not allowed to quote Chinese official documents, why you have done it several times? Only you have the nihil obstat?

You don't distinguish -or you don't want to do it- between to use an official document as source of investigation and use an official text as propaganda. Nobody has used here Chinese official documents as communist propaganda. In the opposite share, you cannot say the same for yourself.
 
The Big Dog said:
What a laughable juxtaposition!

That is absolutely hilarious.

No one has justified anything with the official propaganda outlet of the CCP, they just used this "official" (LOLOL!) site as "evidence."

And work will set you free, right?
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So do you actually care about human rights?

I have asked you this question several times and you have never answered it.
 
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