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London's "No-Go" areas.

Does anyone in the UK believe this nonsense, or is it just idiot Americans?

I'm sure there are idiot Brits who get all their information from the Express (maybe Mail) who believe some of it.

If you live somewhere very homogeneous and rural in the UK it might be possible to believe that there are hellholes of sharia law in some city that you never visit - because it is a scary city full of Musilamics.

I think the key word is idiot.

Trumpettes probably try to believe it because Trump has made that claim.
 
Does anyone in the UK believe this nonsense, or is it just idiot Americans?

Just London Cops

London Cop Tells LBC: "There Are No-Go Areas"

Regarding no-go areas in London, Rob added: "With gang crime in London, there are areas which you wouldn't go into as a pair of cops in a car because of the fear of having things thrown at you when you're driving through certain estates - bottles etc.

"So suddenly all this 'How dare he say this about London', well no the Met Police accept it as well.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/crime-police/ferrari-trump-is-right-there-are-no-go-areas-in-lo/
 
I don't think Baylor is wilfully lying, and it doesn't feel like trolling. It seems more as if s/he's just parroting a bunch of lies s/he's being fed by some extreme right wing website or similar.

Of course! Super smart skeptic thinks people with differing opinions are gullible. But don't dare question the fact that American police officers unfairly target black people. You read it on the BBC!
 
Of course! Super smart skeptic thinks people with differing opinions are gullible. But don't dare question the fact that American police officers unfairly target black people. You read it on the BBC!

.........and all of the American press. And, you know, we keep seeing officers get away with killing innocent people, who are generally black. Actual court cases. Videos of police shooting people who are lying on the ground, running away, or are just kids playing in the park don't help your case either.
 
I lived islington for several years and worked there for even longer. Upper Street is one of the best places you will ever visit.

This was our fave pub, one of the best in the city https://www.the-albion.co.uk/ but the Victoria Tavern was right next door so we usually went there.
Our offices were in a converted baroque church at the junction of Liverpool road and Holloway, it was handy because it was a short walk to either Caledonian Road, Holloway Road or Highbury and islington tube stations depending what line you wanted to be on. Plus, the boss was a big Arsenal fan and it was short walk to the stadium for mid week matches.

I worked as a field engineer for a company supporting publishing, music and video systems, I have been to and worked in all of the locations on your map.
Never a problem in any of them. I still travel down to do jobs around the city, I speak from first hand experience. You are full of crap.

My sister lived in Elephant and Castle for years

Camden is famous for being a hip, trendy tourist destination.

As for Kentish town

11-reasons-why-its-the-best-place-to-live-in-london
 
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I regularly work in most of the areas on your map, I lived and worked in Islington for several years, I worked in Elephant and Castle for yearsw, my sister still lives tehre.

Camden is famous for being a hip, trendy tourist destination.

As for Kentish town

11-reasons-why-its-the-best-place-to-live-in-london

They missed out #12 - you won't be bothered by idiots who are terrified that it's a no-go zone.
 
Of course! Super smart skeptic thinks people with differing opinions are gullible. But don't dare question the fact that American police officers unfairly target black people. You read it on the BBC!

No, not just on the BBC, on American news sources or is it standard practice to shoot unarmed suspects and people laid on the ground in the USA?

Is that why you think UK cops are cowards, because they don't shoot enough people?
 
In furtherance of his/ her white supremacist and Islamaphobic agenda, in another thread Baylor is stating as fact that there are no-go zones all over Britain. Finally, s/he has named some of those in London:

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/v9orUEx.jpg[/qimg]

If members could use this thread to post videos or photos of these areas, or just a description of what it is like to wander around, maybe Baylor will stop spreading baseless propaganda. The "acid attack" thing is a red herring. Baylor's claim throughout has been that these are zones controlled by Muslims which the police don't enter, or where they have ceded control.

First we have to consider the origin of the map, which appears to be this story in The Scum:

London acid attack map reveals the areas of the capital too dangerous for delivery drivers because of the epidemic

"Moped drivers now stop work after dark because of the danger of attacks

VAST areas of East, North and South London have been declared "no-go zones" by terrified delivery drivers because of the acid attack epidemic, The Sun can reveal.

Moped riders say they won't go to the violent hotspots after 8pm because they fear being attacked with acid or knives."

And the actual map caption: "The acid attack hotspots around London which delivery drivers now steer clear of"

Moped crime is currently a major problem in London. That means crime committed by criminals on mopeds, including facilitating the theft of more mopeds to use in such crimes. As stated above, the map Baylor posted is the areas moped delivery drivers are now avoiding because they specifically as moped riders are at risk of being attacked and their moped stolen. Some such attacks do involve the use of acid, but most don't.

It is not clear why Baylor thinks this makes them "Muslim no-go areas," which is what he's spent the better part of 30-odd pages of the main thread claiming the existence of, but failing to prove or even identify.

But even so...

Mrs Analyst taught at a senior school in Canning Town for five years up to the end of last year. She stopped purely for practical reasons due to working hours and commuting time, and absolutely nothing to do with any supposed "danger" in the area. It goes without saying that there were a fair few Muslim pupils at the school, which she didn't have any different issues with than those from any other demographic.

We occasionally go to Stratford to meet friends, usually involving a bit of drinking and eating. Never had any problems.

I have friends who lived in Walworth until fairly recently, and visiting them meant a journey to Elephant & Castle, and then a bus. I went clubbing there last year, and - inevitably - most everyone else in the venue (under the railway arches) was either drinking or off the faces. I rolled out of the club around 06:00, and waited ten minutes for a nightbus without problem. It's a rough place, but the idea that it's a "Muslim no-go area" is, frankly, laughable.

Camden Town I tend to avoid, not because of the risk of Muslims or acid-attackers, but because it's full of wankers. My commute to the office, though, invariably involves changing Northern line branches at the station, invariably without incident.
 
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First we have to consider the origin of the map, which appears to be this story in The Scum:

London acid attack map reveals the areas of the capital too dangerous for delivery drivers because of the epidemic

"Moped drivers now stop work after dark because of the danger of attacks

VAST areas of East, North and South London have been declared "no-go zones" by terrified delivery drivers because of the acid attack epidemic, The Sun can reveal.

Moped riders say they won't go to the violent hotspots after 8pm because they fear being attacked with acid or knives."

And the actual map caption: "The acid attack hotspots around London which delivery drivers now steer clear of"

Moped crime is currently a major problem in London. That means crime committed by criminals on mopeds, including facilitating the theft of more mopeds to use in such crimes. As stated above, the map Baylor posted is the areas moped delivery drivers are now avoiding because they specifically as moped riders are at risk of being attacked and their moped stolen. Some such attacks do involve the use of acid, but most don't.

It is not clear why Baylor thinks this makes them "Muslim no-go areas," which is what he's spent the better part of 30-odd pages of the main thread claiming the existence of, but failing to prove or even identify.

But even so...

Mrs Analyst taught at a senior school in Canning Town for five years up to the end of last year. She stopped purely for practical reasons due to working hours and commuting time, and absolutely nothing to do with any supposed "danger" in the area. It goes without saying that there were a fair few Muslim pupils at the school, which she didn't have any different issues with than those from any other demographic.

We occasionally go to Stratford to meet friends, usually involving a bit of drinking and eating. Never had any problems.

I have friends who lived in Walworth until fairly recently, and visiting them meant a journey to Elephant & Castle, and then a bus. I went clubbing there last year, and - inevitably - most everyone else in the venue (under the railway arches) was either drinking or off the faces. It's a rough place, but the idea that it's a "Muslim no-go area" is, frankly, laughable.

Camden Town I tend to avoid, not because of the risk of Muslims or acid-attackers, but because it's full of wankers. My commute to the office, though, invariably involves changing Northern line branches at the station, invariably without incident.

Or from the parent thread:

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all of those inconvenient little things called facts.
 
I once worked as an LEO in a "no-go area". Of course, it wasn't a no-go area - that's just bigoted propaganda. In Sweden, the police has a list of areas that are labeled as "vulnerable", which means that local police departments get extra resources to get a grip on crime in these areas.

The area I worked in was a place called Kronogården in the smallish town of Trollhättan. There had been a racist murder spree at the local school where a racist clad in a Darth Vader mask and carrying a sword killed a couple of non-white children and school workers just before. The murders had caused an increased rift between the locals and the police because the locals believed the police reacted too slowly to the situation in the school, thus letting their children die. There were conspiracy theories spreading about how the murderer (who was shot by police) wasn't really dead and was being protected by the cops.

The area was a drug selling hub, and the primary location for drug trade was in a run down community center just next to the school. The center contained a closed down library, two stores run by locals and the offices for the local land lord. That's where me and a colleague were supposed to be to "uphold order".

It became apparent that the drug sellers, and the likely perpetrators of most crime in the area, were a small gang of teenagers. They stood with us and we chatted until one of their customers came around. Then they excused themselves and slunk off, leaving their mates to keep an eye on us. Every once in a while some older brother of one of the kids came around and checked on them. It was kind of obvious that the drug selling had been passed down through the generations, the older brothers probably being a bit higher in the pecking order.

We arrested nobody for any offenses during our stay there. We didn't see any drug selling, although we were very much aware of it happening all around us. Police weren't interested in the drug trade at that moment, as the bigger problem was getting tempers calmed in the community. Our presence there was pretty much pointless.

Kind of a pointless story, but it does show that so called "no-go areas" are anything but.
Not pointless at all.
I now know that there is a place in the world called "Trollhattan". ;)
 
I'm sure there are idiot Brits who get all their information from the Express (maybe Mail) who believe some of it.

People are always to ready to believe areas where they don't know are rougher than the ones they do know. A few years back, Mrs Analyst was working in Harlesden, while we were living in Wood Green (actually Bowes Park). A colleague once said to her, "I have to go over to Wood Green this afternoon. Is it rough?" Incredulous, Mrs Analyst said, "Er.... you work in Harlesden!" The point being that people outside of Harlesden are convinced that it's rougher than it is.
 
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Whatever happened to good old fashioned East End or South of the River gangsters?

Remember the good old days of pulling out teeth with pliers, cutting off fingers with bolt cutters, electrocutions or plain old stabbings at parties or shootings in pubs?

They may have been psychotic murderers but they loved their old mum!
 
In furtherance of his/ her white supremacist and Islamaphobic agenda, in another thread Baylor is stating as fact that there are no-go zones all over Britain. Finally, s/he has named some of those in London:

v9orUEx.jpg


If members could use this thread to post videos or photos of these areas, or just a description of what it is like to wander around, maybe Baylor will stop spreading baseless propaganda. The "acid attack" thing is a red herring. Baylor's claim throughout has been that these are zones controlled by Muslims which the police don't enter, or where they have ceded control.


OK, I’ve just checked the 2019 Good Beer Guide.

Bethnal Green
Camel, 278 Globe Rd E2 0JD

Hackney
Cock Tavern, 315 Mare St E8 1EL
Pembury Tavern, 90 Amherst Rd E8 1JH

Plaistow
Black Lion 59-61 Church St E13 0AD

Islington
Wenlock Arms, 26 Wenlock Rd N1 7TA (Actually designated as Hoxton, but it’s where the bottle is in the map)
Angel, 3-5 Islington High St N1 9LQ

Stoke Newington
Jolly Butchers*, 204 Stoke Newington High St N16 7HU

Camden Town
Constitution, 42 St Pancras Way NW1 0QT
Prince Albert, 163 Royal College St NW1 0SG
Tapping the Admiral, 77 Castle Rd NW1 8SU

Kentish Town
Grafton, 20 Prince of Wales Rd NW5 3LG
Lion & Unicorn, 42 Gaisford St NW5 2ED
Pineapple, 51 Leverton St NW5 2NX
Southampton Arms, 139 Highgate Rd NW5 1LE

Elephant & Castle
Elephant & Castle, 119 Newington Causeway SE1 6BN

Anyone fancy a pub crawl?

No pubs listed for Canning Town, Stratford or Shadwell, but there are bound to be decent pubs nearby, for example if we get off a train at Shadwell we can stroll down to the Prospect of Whitby. The Husk Bewing Taproom is near Canning Town but is only open Fridays & Saturdays (ETA: the Durham Arms is described on the What Pub website as “a bit hard to find but well worth looking for” but the site also says that it has no real ale). Loads of pubs in Stratford.

*Not halal, judging by the menu.
 
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I walked through Islington on Thursday. That bottle, by the way, is pretty close to one of my favourite pubs.
I lived there for a while. No problems and I did see police around (another of Baylor's bêtes noires.
 
That quote doesn't prove "no-go areas," let alone "Muslim no-go areas," just areas where cops would go in with a bit more strength than elsewhere.


And there were plenty of those back in the 19th century. Parts of Bethnal Green actually were no-go areas back then.
 

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