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Trump immigrant family separation policy

Beelzebuddy said:
This is where my mind just boggles. What kind of judge would accept a form signed by a five year old, without representation, in a language she doesn't speak? What kind of lawyer would get a five year old to sign it, and sit there while she practiced writing her name? There's too many people involved here for them all to be racist dickbags. Some of them, probably most of them, are otherwise basically good people who still sleep well at night thinking they're doing a basically good thing in denying basic human rights to these children. We're well into the "banality of evil" phase.
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Just following orders.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
This is where my mind just boggles. What kind of judge would accept a form signed by a five year old, without representation, in a language she doesn't speak? What kind of lawyer would get a five year old to sign it, and sit there while she practiced writing her name? There's too many people involved here for them all to be racist dickbags. Some of them, probably most of them, are otherwise basically good people who still sleep well at night thinking they're doing a basically good thing in denying basic human rights to these children. We're well into the "banality of evil" phase.
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Well, to be fair, the President isn't much more mature than her.
 
Jesus ******* Christ!

The White House is actively considering plans that could again separate parents and children at the U.S.-Mexico border, hoping to reverse soaring numbers of families attempting to cross illegally into the United States, according to several administration officials with direct knowledge of the effort.

One option under consideration is for the government to detain asylum-seeking families together for up to 20 days, then give parents a choice: Stay in family detention with your child for months or years as your immigration case proceeds, or allow children to be taken to a government shelter so other relatives or guardians can seek custody.

That option — called “binary choice” — is one of several under consideration amid the president’s frustration over border security. He has been unable to fulfill key promises to build a border wall and end what he calls “catch and release,” a process that began under past administrations in which most detained families are quickly freed to await immigration hearings. The number of migrant family members arrested and charged with illegally crossing the border jumped 38 percent in August, and are now at record levels, according to DHS officials.
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Trump's prison camp for migrant children is set to cost taxpayers a fortune

The Trump administration’s “temporary” prison camp for migrant kids in Tornillo, Texas, isn’t just child abuse with a tent over it, it’s also costing taxpayers an arm and a leg. Every child jailed there by officials costs $750 per night, the Huffington Post reports.

The costs will become astronomical once the prison camp reaches full capacity. When it opened earlier this summer, it had 400 beds. But the Trump administration has already extended this “temporary” prison camp three times, shuffling children there by the hundreds every week under the cover of night so they won’t escape. By the end of the year, capacity could reach 3,800 jailed children.

“For every month that the Trump administration locks up a single undocumented minor in the Texas desert,” the Huffington Post continues, “it pays more than the annual cost of putting a student through state college, complete with room and board.” By comparison, detaining a child in a physical detention center costs $256 per bed per night. But children do not belong in jail, and putting them in humane, proven alternatives to detention with their families costs just $6 a day. Better yet, release them to sponsors, who are oftentimes relatives.
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It's a classic Trump deal, by the sound of it. Instead of choosing the $6 a night option that's generally better all around to spend taxpayer dollars on, it's the lower quality $750 a night option.

He's doing an incredible job of increasing government waste!
 
Belz... said:
That is so messed up. If they're really concerned about illigal immigration, and I guess they should, why not simply turn those people away if they don't choose option 1?
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Because they come right back. Where do you live, under a rock?
 
Baylor said:
Yeah, because people risk their lives by the millions to illegally enter those countries. :rolleyes:
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....obviously, and I can't believe I have to explain this to you, this wasn't the point of comparison.

Because they come right back. Where do you live, under a rock?
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What makes you think I didn't know that? What does this have to do with not taking away their children?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
https://twitter.com/SeanLavery/status/1050495062889680896



https://twitter.com/SeanLavery/status/1050528172985516032



https://twitter.com/SeanLavery/status/1050580854391656449



Document and article embedded in tweets.
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From that article:

Now stage three has commenced—one in which separations are done quietly, lupe’s Tania Chavez asserts, and in which reunifications can be mysteriously stymied. According to recent Department of Justice numbers—released because of an ongoing A.C.L.U. lawsuit challenging family separations—a hundred and thirty-six children who fall within the lawsuit’s scope are still in government custody. An uncounted number of separated children in shelters and foster care fall outside the lawsuit’s current purview—including many like Helen, who arrived with a grandparent or other guardian, rather than with a parent. Many such children have been misclassified, in government paperwork, as “unaccompanied minors,” due to a sloppy process that the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of the Inspector General recently critiqued. Chavez believes that, through misclassification, many kids have largely disappeared from public view, and from official statistics, with the federal government showing little urgency to hasten reunifications. (O.R.R. and U.S. Customs and Border Protection did not respond to requests for comment.)
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I have no reason to doubt that - how many more red flags do fence-sitters need before realising that this administration doesn't care about the rule of law?
 
jimbob said:
From that article:



I have no reason to doubt that - how many more red flags do fence-sitters need before realising that this administration doesn't care about the rule of law?
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The worst part is that it's not just Trump and Nielsen, there's a long line of people down to the lawyer who did this that each had a choice to respect the law and that child's rights and instead they chose the opposite.
 
And now, for a small positive note.

In Oregon, volunteers welcome newly released asylum seekers with rides, legal assistance

Like many other migrants coming to the U.S., some have family scattered throughout the U.S. and “generally travel onward in a day or two.” But while they’re in Oregon, they’re also able to visit nearby Dasmesh Darbar Sikh temple, which has opened its doors for migrants to shower and rest. “Freed immigrants often sit outside on the temple grounds, taking in the fresh air near a driveway lined with red, white, yellow and pink flowers.”

It’s a relief from the abusive conditions alleged at the federal prison that some migrant detainees have been held at, due to overcrowding at ICE facilities from Donald Trump’s barbaric “zero tolerance” policy. “The detainees told federal public defenders they were initially confined to cells for up to 23 hours a day,” resulting in Innovation Law Lab connecting detainees with legal assistance.

This is the same sort of grassroots activism seen in places like Colorado, where Sarah Jackson operates Casa de Paz—House of Peace—where recently released asylum seekers are fed, clothed, and housed before they also move on. “You are released into this strange place with no money in a country that has treated you poorly,” said one man who was currently staying there. “Then you have this home where there’s free food, clothes, everything.”
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To pretty much no one's surprise here...

Last month, a report from the DHS inspector general “found no evidence” of a supposed “central database” DHS claimed connected parents and children. According to the report, “the OIG team asked several [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] employees, including those involved with DHS’ reunification efforts at ICE Headquarters, if they knew of such a database, and they did not. DHS has since acknowledged to the OIG that there is no ‘direct electronic interface’ between DHS and HHS tracking systems.”
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At least they're getting sued over that now.
 
Hey, look, another murder of an LGBT someone in ICE custody.

“Specifically,” states a legal filing from the Transgender Law Center and attorney Andrew Free in response to the medical findings, “forensic evidence indicates she was handcuffed so tightly as to cause deep tissue bruising and struck repeatedly on the back and rib cage by an asp or similar instrument while her hands were restrained behind her back,” with bruising “indicative of blows, and/or kicks, and possible strikes with blunt object.”
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