Cont: The Trump Presidency X: 10-10 'til we do it again

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Captain_Swoop said:
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"So nice, everyone wants Ivanka Trump to be the new United Nations Ambassador. She would be incredible, but I can already hear the chants of Nepotism! We have great people that want the job."
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Who is this 'everyone'? Is he talking about the voices in his own head?

How you can you get people chanting 'nepotism' if 'everyone' wants her to be Ambassador.

And could she even be appointed? I think there's a law that prevents a president from hiring family members for cabinet positions.
 
USA Today sez Trump has 36% approval from African Americans. Dems are in the deepest of doo doo.
 
theprestige said:
It's an interesting question, and I wouldn't mind discussing it. Before I jump in, though, I'd like to get a better sense of what you're looking for. Are you interested in getting some insight into how (some) conservatives address this conundrum? Or is it more a question of getting agreement on some point?
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The former. I am curious to a fault and I want to understand it.

I’m on the left and I find the government seizing guns without due process chillingly frightening. I see folks on the right talk about such seizures as a reason to take up arms against the government. Some describe it as the tipping point such that once the government does that, only armed revolution can save the nation.

Personally, I find it too scary for words that the POTUS does not understand what due process is. After Pence suggested a hearing in which dangerous people could prove they were not a danger to others as a preliminary step to seizing weapons, President Trump replied:

Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court. Because that's another system. Because a lot of times, by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court, to get the due process procedures -- I like taking the guns early.

Like in this crazy man's case that just took place in Florida, he had a lot of firearms. They saw everything -- to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you're saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.
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How can there be a clearer example of his not understanding due process?
But I digress. The NRA folks showed up at the White House the next day and explained why President Trump needed to backpeddle on that. Still, how can conservatives not see that as evidence that this guy has not got a firm grasp on the whole presidency thing? How can people look at him and say “yeah, he’s a conservative”?
 
Headline in Washington Post: "No, one-third of African Americans don't support Trump. Not even close."
[T]he polling firm Civiqs, which has interviewed more than 140,000 respondents in 2017 and 2018 suggests that Trump’s black approval rating has consistently been in the single-digits throughout his presidency...Similarly, Trump’s average approval rating among African American respondents in seven YouGov/Economist surveys conducted in July and August was 13 percent. His average approval rating among African Americans in four Quinnipiac University surveys conducted over the past two months [July/August 2018]was just 9 percent. Link
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Why would over one-third of a demographic that the president has historically been insensitive to, why would that demographic give him a fairly high approval rating? It probably tells us more about the media outlets that report that result, and citizens who accept it without question, than it tells us about African-American support for Trump.
 
theprestige said:
It's an interesting question, and I wouldn't mind discussing it. Before I jump in, though, I'd like to get a better sense of what you're looking for. Are you interested in getting some insight into how (some) conservatives address this conundrum? Or is it more a question of getting agreement on some point?
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Ok, I'll bite. How can anyone who calls himself a conservative look at Trump with anything but contempt? And don't say "judges." Any Republican would be working from the same list, although some might have had the integrity not to nominate a right-wing operative to the SC. Free trade is a core Republican principle. How can Trump's blanket tariffs, even against allies, be defended? How can his fawning over brutal foreign dictators while he insults our allies be defended? What would the Repubs be saying if Obama had talked about the FBI, the Justice Dept. and the federal courts like Trump does? How can Trump's brutal, unnecessary border policies be defended? How can Trump's lack of interest in the actual mechanics of running the government be defended? Etc., etc. What's "conservative" about Trump?
 
varwoche said:
It's a Rasmussen poll.
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So broken, then. :D

Look, like every other group, there are many black people who are trivial. People who don't vote because they weren't "inspired", people who listen to this or that celebrity, and so on. But I see no reason for West's rant to change anything, especially with the Obamas, Booker, Harris, Eric Holder, Rev. Barber, and other significant political figures also weighing in.
 
newyorkguy said:
... Why would over one-third of a demographic that the president has historically been insensitive to, why would that demographic give him a fairly high approval rating? ...
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I can't access the WA Po article and it seems from this thread that polls are all over the place. But one reason blacks would support Trump is if they filtered everything out except Trump's claim that he's responsible for "the lowest black unemployment in history".
 
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