Cont: The Trump Presidency X: 10-10 'til we do it again

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CORed said:
Now that we've confirmed that his father gave him a substantial fortune...
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Well, he managed not to lose it all, which is better than a lot of people have done with inherited wealth, but it's a lot less impressive than Trump would like everybody to think it is.
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But do we really know if he managed to "not lose it all"? We know very little about his personal finances and for all we know he actually is completely broke (or that his liabilities exceed his assets) and surviving only through illegal financing and other questionable activities. *cough* Trump University.
 
JoeMorgue said:
And I'm not talking math on the raw literal level, I'm talking public perception.

Everybody woke up on November 6th, myself included, thinking that we were gonna go to bed that night with Hillary as President.

It's not a matter of one poll saying Trump has a 1 in 10 chance. It was that every poll, from side pretty much, was giving him practically no chance.
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What you seem to be doing is preferring your own bias to the facts.

538 put him at 3 in 10, not 1.

What were the other predictions? Were they as low as 1 in 10? If so, that's not an "all but guaranteed" loss.

This article summarizes a few polls on Oct. 31. The lowest odds were 10%. 538 at that time was still at 21%. An outlier put Trump's odds at 39%.

None of those are close to a guaranteed loss. And this was still over a week prior to the election.

But if you want to pretend your perception at the time was "public perception", go ahead. At the time, I thought Trump would probably lose, but the odds of a Trump win were still too high for comfort.
 
CORed said:
Well, he managed not to lose it all, which is better than a lot of people have done with inherited wealth, but it's a lot less impressive than Trump would like everybody to think it is.
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Yeah, I don't buy that. Sure, if we are talking about people with zero experience with wealth and money being handed a huge amount of money. They could easily piss it away.

But growing up wealthy with all of the advantages of education and experience? Nah.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Add “Lying Press” (Lügenpresse) morphing into “Fake News”, with exactly the same motivation.

Trump is not Hitler. But it’s fair to point out similarities, of which there are more than a few.

Mussolini also comes into play, especially the mannerisms when exhorting crowds.
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Well, I think Trump is considerably less competent than Hitler or Mussolini (not that Hitler was all that competent), which is both good and bad news (good news in that he hasn't been all that successful in putting his agenda into effect, bad news in that we have an incompetent president).
 
Segnosaur said:
But do we really know if he managed to "not lose it all"? We know very little about his personal finances and for all we know he actually is completely broke (or that his liabilities exceed his assets) and surviving only through illegal financing and other questionable activities. *cough* Trump University.
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In fact, his daughter told a story (no idea if it is true and given its coming from a Trump, it's likely not) of how her and her father were coming out of Trump Tower where there was a homeless guy and her father said was actually poorer than the homeless guy.
 
JoeMorgue said:
And I'm not talking math on the raw literal level, I'm talking public perception.

Everybody woke up on November 6th, myself included, thinking that we were gonna go to bed that night with Hillary as President.

It's not a matter of one poll saying Trump has a 1 in 10 chance. It was that every poll, from side pretty much, was giving him practically no chance.
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Yeah but there the problem lies with the perception. It's not my fault that people think that a higher chance of winning means slam-dunk certainty.
 
acbytesla said:
It's all about ego with him. But ego may very well be the reason he doesn't run. Imagine his reaction if he was trounced which I don't think is unreasonable. If he doesn't run, he can walk away without having lost. But know one could possibly know what is going on inside that pumpkin.
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Trump didn't expect to win and all the polls backed that up. The fact he did win against all the odds only confirmed in his mind that he is special and polls don't matter. Even if the polls again show he'd get trounced, his ego won't allow him to really believe it. I think he will run again. He needs the adoration of his rally crowds and now that he's had a taste of real power, nothing less will be enough for him.
 
Trump says in a USA Today opinion piece "the Democrats want to outlaw private health care plans, taking away freedom to choose plans while letting anyone cross our border. We must win this."

and

"As a candidate, I promised that we would protect coverage for patients with pre-existing conditions and create new health care insurance options that would lower premiums. I have kept that promise,"

The truth is that the centrist Democratic Party is dead. The new Democrats are radical socialists who want to model America’s economy after Venezuela.

If Democrats win control of Congress this November, we will come dangerously closer to socialism in America. Government-run health care is just the beginning."

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opini...-medicare-all-single-payer-column/1560533002/
 
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Trump Tweets

"Despite so many positive events and victories, Media Reseach Center reports that 92% of stories on Donald Trump are negative on ABC, CBS and ABC. It is FAKE NEWS! Don’t worry, the Failing New York Times didn’t even put the Brett Kavanaugh victory on the Front Page yesterday-A17!"
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

"Despite so many positive events and victories, Media Reseach Center reports that 92% of stories on Donald Trump are negative on ABC, CBS and ABC. It is FAKE NEWS! Don’t worry, the Failing New York Times didn’t even put the Brett Kavanaugh victory on the Front Page yesterday-A17!"
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Or... 92% of what he does is negative.
 
Trump on the latest climate change report:

“It was given to me. It was given to me, and I want to look at who drew, you know, which group drew it,” the president said, as Hurricane Michael edged closer to the Florida’s northern Gulf Coast, threatening devastating flooding, which scientists say is exacerbated by rising sea levels.

Trump said some reports were good, while others were not as good.

“Because I can give you reports that are fabulous, and I can give you reports that aren’t so good,” he added.
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Linky.
 
thaiboxerken said:
But don't say he's authoritarian (like Hitler), because that would be wrong.........
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If this was aimed at me (I was the last person who requested that we stop with the Hitler comparison), I want to point out that I didn’t say we should stop because they are wrong, I said we should stop because they are unhelpful.

Comparisons to Hitler never convince the other side to examine what is happening. Instead, such comparisons simply make the other side accuse the folks of making the comparison as being irrational lunatics who are beyond reasonable discussion.
 
CORed said:
Well, he managed not to lose it all, which is better than a lot of people have done with inherited wealth, but it's a lot less impressive than Trump would like everybody to think it is.
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Then what were the several bankruptcies about? I think he lost all that and more, and got to the point where no US banks would let him in the door. His current wealth is all about Russia.
 
acbytesla said:
Yeah, I don't buy that. Sure, if we are talking about people with zero experience with wealth and money being handed a huge amount of money. They could easily piss it away.

But growing up wealthy with all of the advantages of education and experience? Nah.
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For quite some time Trump had to live on handouts from his bank (albeit a tad more than the usual social security cheque) so he did lose everything he started with.

ETA Banks Approve Loans for Trump, But Take Control of His Finances https://nyti.ms/29uKdr8
 
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CORed said:
I think it's a possibility that he won't run for re-election, but I think it's more likely that he will run again to satisfy his ego.
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Given that he put in his announcement for running in 2020 the day after inauguration and has been running rallies exactly like the ones when he was running for 2016, it's a certainty not a possibility that he is running.
 
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