New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

[JoeMorgue]

That's not really clear. The punishment for murder is death, but not for causing the end of a pregnancy. It's just a fine. There are other passages. That's another thing. If God is all knowing and wise, don't you think he would have made this clear?

*Shrugs* It's the Bible. Every part in it is contradicted by another part in it which contradicted by another part in it.

The people who look to the Bible for guidance have just somehow come to terms with the fact that it's a bunch of vague self-contradictory nonsense. Me or you pointing that out isn't going to change their mind.

 

[acbytesla]

*Shrugs* It's the Bible. Every part in it is contradicted by another part in it which contradicted by another part in it.

The people who look to the Bible for guidance have just somehow come to terms with the fact that it's a bunch of vague self-contradictory nonsense. Me or you pointing that out isn't going to change their mind.

I agree. I'm just saying that the Bible is hardly even close to clear that abortion is a sin and verboten. That and thinking it actually is God's words.

 

[dmaker]

I'm atheist and I'm pro-choice up to a point, but I don't think abortions in the 3rd trimester should be allowed barring health risks to the mother or if the fetus is just going to live a short painful life after birth.

Same here.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Alright confession.

Both sides recognize what a wonderful "hot potato" topic abortion is to keep around which explains why neither side every does anything with it when they are in power.

We're told abortion is a big deal because abortion being a big deal because it's an easy political volleyball to smack around full of 3 word slogans and sound bite digestible outrage just ready for the serving.

If you ask voters what is important to them sure abortion is on that list, but it's low. The Economy, terrorism, foreign policy, health care, gun policy, immigration, Social Security, education, treatment of racial and ethnic minorities, trade policy, and the environment all ranked above "abortion" on polls of likely voters in 2016.

 

[River]

We codified illegal immigrants as a slave work force a long time ago and both of the major parties had their hand in it.

That ship has sailed, circumnavigated the globe, and returned laden with silk and exotic spices.

1863 Democrats: without slaves, who will pick our crops?
2018 Democrats: without illegal aliens who will pick our crops?

 

[JoeMorgue]

1863 Democrats: without slaves, who will pick our crops?
2018 Democrats: without illegal aliens who will pick our crops?

As much as it pains and as sure as I am you will take this to a place/level I don't agree with, that is my thought as well.

 

[acbytesla]

Alright confession.

Both sides recognize what a wonderful "hot potato" topic abortion is to keep around which explains why neither side every does anything with it when they are in power.

We're told abortion is a big deal because abortion being a big deal because it's an easy political volleyball to smack around full of 3 word slogans and sound bite digestible outrage just ready for the serving.

If you ask voters what is important to them sure abortion is on that list, but it's low. The Economy, terrorism, foreign policy, health care, gun policy, immigration, Social Security, education, treatment of racial and ethnic minorities, trade policy, and the environment all ranked above "abortion" on polls of likely voters in 2016.

That depends on who you talk to. In general what you say is 100 percent true. But there are people on both sides of that one issue that would not vote for someone on the other side at least in the primary.

 

[LSSBB]

I agree. I'm just saying that the Bible is hardly even close to clear that abortion is a sin and verboten. That and thinking it actually is God's words.

That's why Catholics tend not to be Bible literalists. It's what the Pope says that they take their cue from. The Pope may point to some Bible passage as a justification, however that's not really necessary.

 

[luchog]

I receive no welfare benefits, and neither did my mom growing up.

You may have received no welfare benefits, but I'm calling BS that you did not have a support network that served the same purpose.

If I can do it -- why can't anyone else?

What disabilities did you or your family members have? What financial emergencies (extended periods of unemployment due to economic downturns, car dying, housing costs rising) or expensive medical emergencies did you and your family endure? Were you ever seriously injured and unable to work for an extended period of time? Who paid for your higher education? Where were you educated and what if any degrees do you have? How much discrimination did you face due to the colour of your skin, your name, your residential address, your age, your sex, your gender identity or sexuality? What was the job market like in your area, how does that compare to other parts of the US, particularly the parts where poverty is rampant? What is the lead content of the public drinking water where you live? How many times a week are you detained by police?

Also, what year were you born? what was the economic and social situation like at that time? How has that changed since you've become an adult and

There are a myriad of circumstances outside of an individual's control which can have a huge impact on their life and ability to make a living and care for a family. Privilege and luck are factors that no one is entirely free of, so claims of being entirely and exclusively "self-made" are nearly always ignorant at best. Every "self-made" person has relied to a great extent on favourable circumstances and existing social networks, despite their unwillingness to acknowledge that fact.

Can't let your comments about teacher salaries slide, either. The gap between a teacher's salary and an average salary a few decades ago was a mere 7%. That gap is now 17%. In the '60s, the average female teacher's salary was 14.7% higher than the average for female workers in equivalent jobs (office work). It may have been possible with the higher comparable salary and lower cost of living back then for a single mother to raise one or more children without some form of outside assistance (which I strongly doubt), but it's becoming drastically less so as time goes on, pay gaps widen, and costs of living continue to rise.

http://neatoday.org/2018/09/06/teacher-pay-gap-reaches-record-high/

 

[lobosrul5]

1863 Democrats: without slaves, who will pick our crops?
2018 Democrats: without illegal aliens who will pick our crops?

Its the silliest, most phony bologna question I've ever heard of. No one legal will go pick crops for less than minimum wage. Hell I'd do it, my salary requirements are 50 cents per lb picked. Oh wait you don't want to pay fruit pickers a decent wage? Meanwhile a certain republican can't even find enough waitstaff for his resort (Mar-a-Lago), without issuing work visa. I mean its a rare skill that no one here possess.

 

[luchog]

On that note, how many here feel Kavanaugh will help reverse any roe vs wade decision? (when he's stated he wont)

I do, because he hasn't definitively stated that he won't. He has changed his story on this multiple times, but has stated definitively in the past that he does not consider Roe v. Wade to be settled law.

 

[luchog]

1863 Democrats: without slaves, who will pick our crops?
2018 Democrats: without illegal aliens who will pick our crops?

2018 Republicans: Without unpaid slave labour by illegal aliens, who will pick our crops?

That's the big difference between Dems and the GOP. They both acknowledge that immigrant labour is crucial to the American economy, but one side doesn't like the idea of paying them for it.

 

[Segnosaur]

1863 Democrats: without slaves, who will pick our crops?
2018 Democrats: without illegal aliens who will pick our crops?

Ahem....

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...ing-legal-status-to-undocumented-farmworkers/
[These workers, estimated at more than 1.2 million, would be able to gain legal status under legislation crafted by House Republicans. That measure earlier this week was considered for inclusion as an amendment to a House immigration bill...The legislation reflects acknowledgment by Republicans that these undocumented immigrants perform a vital task bringing food to the table.

So, while Trump (and the majority of Republican voters) support locking immigrant children in cages and complain endlessly about Mexican rapists, many republican politicians support the use of illegal immigrants in agriculture.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I was speaking more broadly of the "The economy is gonna collapse without illegal immigration" that both sides tend to talk about as if that should be the status quo.

"They are doing the jobs nobody else wants to do" shouldn't be the... place land at and want to stay.

 

[River]

You may have received no welfare benefits, but I'm calling BS that you did not have a support network that served the same purpose.




What disabilities did you or your family members have? What financial emergencies (extended periods of unemployment due to economic downturns, car dying, housing costs rising) or expensive medical emergencies did you and your family endure? Were you ever seriously injured and unable to work for an extended period of time? Who paid for your higher education? Where were you educated and what if any degrees do you have? How much discrimination did you face due to the colour of your skin, your name, your residential address, your age, your sex, your gender identity or sexuality? What was the job market like in your area, how does that compare to other parts of the US, particularly the parts where poverty is rampant? What is the lead content of the public drinking water where you live? How many times a week are you detained by police?

Also, what year were you born? what was the economic and social situation like at that time? How has that changed since you've become an adult and

There are a myriad of circumstances outside of an individual's control which can have a huge impact on their life and ability to make a living and care for a family. Privilege and luck are factors that no one is entirely free of, so claims of being entirely and exclusively "self-made" are nearly always ignorant at best. Every "self-made" person has relied to a great extent on favourable circumstances and existing social networks, despite their unwillingness to acknowledge that fact.

Can't let your comments about teacher salaries slide, either. The gap between a teacher's salary and an average salary a few decades ago was a mere 7%. That gap is now 17%. In the '60s, the average female teacher's salary was 14.7% higher than the average for female workers in equivalent jobs (office work). It may have been possible with the higher comparable salary and lower cost of living back then for a single mother to raise one or more children without some form of outside assistance (which I strongly doubt), but it's becoming drastically less so as time goes on, pay gaps widen, and costs of living continue to rise.

http://neatoday.org/2018/09/06/teacher-pay-gap-reaches-record-high/

Aren't we the nosey type? Is it legal to wager on these forums? Are you willing to stand behind your words with your wallet? I can prove mine.

I lived very modestly as a child, and worked my ass off to get things for myself and my kids. If you want all of those personal details of my life youll have to hire me in some way or wager me that it's false. How big is your wallet?

 

[River]

In Kavanaugh news, theres this.

Brett Kavanaugh just hired the Supreme Court's first all-women law clerk team

 

[luchog]

Aren't we the nosey type? Is it legal to wager on these forums? Are you willing to stand behind your words with your wallet? I can prove mine.

I lived very modestly as a child, and worked my ass off to get things for myself and my kids. If you want all of those personal details of my life youll have to hire me in some way or wager me that it's false. How big is your wallet?

Not a particularly good evasion, I'll give it 5 out of 10. Meanwhile, you keep believing you did it all yourself, despite the obvious.

In Kavanaugh news, theres this.

He has to have someone to harass when he gets drunk, after all.

 

[Ziggurat]

In Kavanaugh news, theres this.

Your article doesn't mention it, but Kavanaugh has also now hired as many black law clerks as Ruth Bader Ginsburg has in her entire history on the Supreme Court.

He's totally racist, or something.

 

[LSSBB]

Aren't we the nosey type? Is it legal to wager on these forums? Are you willing to stand behind your words with your wallet? I can prove mine.

I lived very modestly as a child, and worked my ass off to get things for myself and my kids. If you want all of those personal details of my life youll have to hire me in some way or wager me that it's false. How big is your wallet?

You are avoiding the point of these questions. I would say intentionally. The support network and environment you grow up in most definitely facilitates success.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...ss-according-to-network-science/#6b3880ede829

The have-nots don't have open network connections.

 

[theprestige]

I think that most people are actually pretty moderate on abortion. I think that if you got a pro-life individual and a pro-choice individual to sit down and discuss their actual positions, they'd actually be pretty close to each other.

I think a lot of people have got it into their heads that the other side is extreme, and that the only way to fight on this issue is to go extreme.

And of course there is going to be a small percentage on each side that actually *are* extreme. This feeds a vicious cycle of extremity. For me, it also raises the question of whether these people were always extreme, or if they embraced extremism because that's the social norm they perceive on this issue.