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The Behavior of UK Police officers.

This Muslim issue is the OP successfully distracting from the thread topic.

No one yet has acknowledged and shown understanding that an unarmed police who only have protective gear and shields to deal with riots have, as part of their tactics, retreat.

It helps to split up the crowd and identify the main trouble makers and who is to be targetted to arrest.
 
Information Analyst said:
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What, be deliberately obtuse? The poll on legality puts the poll on morality into its proper context. If you don't like that being pointed out, tough. If you're just annoyed that I found the second poll completely independently of your warped interpretation of it, and pointed out what it actually shows, tough.
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I literally don't have a clue what you're on about. I post two polls, both asking a different question, and post the results. I make no claim to interpretation. Then you come along an hour after I posted the second poll, re-post it, claim credit for finding it and say that it disproves the first. When asked how you simply post a succession of insults.

So for the last time before I quit this futile exchange. How does a poll on legality disprove a poll on morality?

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Sure it does, because there is a difference between morality and legality, especially in the context of Baylor's claim about Muslims supposedly imposing their views on the rest of society.
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Yes, a difference. That's why I wait with eagerness to see how a poll on one can 'undermine' the results of the other. All you've done is snipe and bicker, you refuse to explain your position and you refuse to post any evidence to support it, whatever it may be.

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And, as others have pointed out, it not like they have the monopoly on viewing homosexuality as immoral.
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As I pointed out. I was the one who posted these figures, nobody else, but I guess you'd have to read the thread to know that and when I suggest doing so all I get are insults.
 
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Nessie said:
This Muslim issue is the OP successfully distracting from the thread topic.

No one yet has acknowledged and shown understanding that an unarmed police who only have protective gear and shields to deal with riots have, as part of their tactics, retreat.

It helps to split up the crowd and identify the main trouble makers and who is to be targetted to arrest.
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As I've said already, I don't believe in the main that cowardice of individual officers is an issue, rather the cowardice of the top brass who will do anything for an easy ride.
 
baron said:
As I've said already, I don't believe in the main that cowardice of individual officers is an issue, rather the cowardice of the top brass who will do anything for an easy ride.
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Which is still begging the question. You haven't actually showed that there are unaddressed problems.
 
jimbob said:
Which is still begging the question. You haven't actually showed that there are unaddressed problems.
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Problems in what sense? I've posted extensively on the rape gang problem, which at best has not improved, with many links. I've also posted several examples of the police admitting that traveller sites are no-go zones. I could give numerous examples of individual instances of police backing down in the face of extremism and criminality, normally because of direction from the top, poor training or insufficient equipment, but to be honest I'm a bit bored of being the only one posting evidence and receiving only insults and gotchas from posters such as Information Analyst and Mike G.
 
baron said:
As I've said already, I don't believe in the main that cowardice of individual officers is an issue, rather the cowardice of the top brass who will do anything for an easy ride.
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Those who have been trained in public order weeds out the cowards, who tend not to apply for that sort of work anyway.

No one can blame the police, anywhere, who heavily outnumbered by a mob, back off.

Senior management are usually concerned with image and know their career is dependent on how attached they become to a fail or a success. Once they get to about Superintendent, they are pretty much immune from criticism and act is they cannot make a mistake.
 
baron said:
........ I'm a bit bored of being the only one posting evidence and receiving only insults and gotchas from posters such as Information Analyst and Mike G.
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"100% of British Muslims think homosexuality is immoral" was a patently ridiculous claim. It was shown to be ridiculous. If you want to call that a gotcha, then that's your problem. However, I have not insulted you, and would ask that you please report anything of mine which you thought was insulting. When you find you can't find anything in that category, perhaps you'll withdraw the accusation.
 
baron said:
I literally don't have a clue what you're on about. I post two polls, both asking a different question, and post the results. I make no claim to interpretation. Then you come along an hour after I posted the second poll, re-post it, claim credit for finding it and say that it disproves the first. When asked how you simply post a succession of insults.
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Well, let's be clear about what actually happened. You posted the 2009 poll in #721, and were still banging on about it in #792, which I responded to with the 2016 poll. Completely independently, you tried to use the 2016 poll in #792. I didn't "re-post" the 2016, because what I was responding to pre-dates you posting it. If you want to whinge because other people answer posts in the order they read them, that's your own problem.

So for the last time before I quit this futile exchange. How does a poll on legality disprove a poll on morality?
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The poll on legality has a bearing on how much we can read into a poll about morality, notwithstanding how dodgy the latter looks.

Yes, a difference. That's why I wait with eagerness to see how a poll on one can 'undermine' the results of the other. All you've done is snipe and bicker, you refuse to explain your position and you refuse to post any evidence to support it, whatever it may be.
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Your inability or unwillingness to get the point I'm making is your own problem.

As I pointed out. I was the one who posted these figures, nobody else, but I guess you'd have to read the thread to know that and when I suggest doing so all I get are insults.
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Like I said, I found the 2016 poll before I saw your post about it. If you don't like the fact that other people can find the same thing as you without your help, that's also your own problem.
 
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MikeG said:
"100% of British Muslims think homosexuality is immoral" was a patently ridiculous claim. It was shown to be ridiculous.
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Link to the data that you posted showing it's 'ridiculous'. You posted a photo of some gay brown people and imagined you knew what's going on inside their heads. I refer you to the title of this site. Please bear it in mind for future postings.

Information Analyst said:
Well, let's be clear about what actually happened. You posted the 2009 poll in #721, and were still banging on about it in #792, which I responded to with the 2016 poll. Completely independently, you tried to use the 2016 poll in #792. I didn't "re-post" the 2016, because what I was responding to pre-dates you posting it. If you want to whinge because other people answer posts in the order they read them, that's your own problem.
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Read the thread before you post.

Information Analyst said:
The poll on legality has a bearing on how much we can read into a poll about morality, notwithstanding how dodgy the latter looks.
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And that bearing is...

Ah, nope, you're still unable to answer. I refer you too to the title of this site.

Information Analyst said:
Your inability or unwillingness to get the point I'm making is your own problem.

Like I said, I found the 2016 poll before I saw your post about it. If you don't like the fact that other people can find the same thing as you without your help, that's also your own problem.
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You are exploring new lows and calling them debate. You post the link to a poll that I'd already posted an hour previously, then state it refutes the first pull but refuse to explain why (apparently it just does and anybody who can't see that is an idiot) and you refuse to say why it backs up your own position (despite never explaining what your position is or the mechanism by which it's reinforced by the second poll I posted).
 
baron said:
Link to the data that you posted showing it's 'ridiculous'. You posted a photo of some gay brown peopleMuslims......
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FTFY. You don't get to impose your bigotry on me.

It is self-evidently ridiculous. You have claimed that there isn't a single muslim......not one, not even a single solitary one......in the UK who doesn't think homosexuality is immoral. I posted a link to a UK pressure group for gay Muslims, with the proviso "unless you assume that every single one of these people think that they themselves are immoral, then you, Baron, are wrong" (in terms).

Thus your stupid claim was shown to be stupid.
 
MikeG said:
FTFY. You don't get to impose your bigotry on me.
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Saying 'brown people' is bigotry? I'm sure you'll do just as good job explaining that one as explaining why the results of a 500 person poll should be discarded in favour of a photo of a dozen gay brown people.

MikeG said:
It is self-evidently ridiculous. You have claimed that there isn't a single muslim......not one, not even a single solitary one......in the UK who doesn't think homosexuality is immoral. I posted a link to a UK pressure group for gay Muslims, with the proviso "unless you assume that every single one of these people think that they themselves are immoral, then you, Baron, are wrong" (in terms).

Thus your stupid claim was shown to be stupid.
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So that's not a gotcha, is it? When I said 100% of Muslims believe homosexuality is immoral the entire implications of this can be thrown out the window if it's proved that actually only 99% believe it's immoral. What a load of pedantic, apologist bilge. And the worst part is, you haven't even established that! Where is your evidence that the tiny number of Muslims promoting gay rights don't believe it's immoral? Have you ever thought that they acknowledge it is immoral and against scripture, but accept people have no choice over their sexuality and therefore campaign for gay Muslims to have equal rights? Nah, I guess not. So the ball's in your court. For the last time, link to your evidence that disproves my claim and I will take those figures and revise my percentage. Then, and only then, can you claim your hard won gotcha.
 
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baron said:
......... When I said 100% of Muslims believe homosexuality is immoral the entire implications of this can be thrown out the window if it's proved that actually only 99% believe it's immoral..........
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Finally, just maybe, you get it. I don't know whether this is a reading comprehension issue or a logic deficit, but I've said this at least 3 times now, so you have no excuse for the penny taking half a millennia to drop. Don't make claims in extremis unless you can back them up. Your claim was stupid, and it was pretty damn stupid to support it, endlessly, when you had no way of showing that every single last Muslim in the country believed homosexuality to be immoral.
 
MikeG said:
Finally, just maybe, you get it. I don't know whether this is a reading comprehension issue or a logic deficit, but I've said this at least 3 times now, so you have no excuse for the penny taking half a millennia to drop. Don't make claims in extremis unless you can back them up. Your claim was stupid, and it was pretty damn stupid to support it, endlessly, when you had no way of showing that every single last Muslim in the country believed homosexuality to be immoral.
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As I thought, you can provide no evidence, not even enough for a gotcha.
 
Mojo said:
Read the thread before you post.
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Here's another one. Link to the figures or accept you're talking nonsense.

I'll make it easy for you. Forget all these polls, all these photos of homosexuals protesting, all these gotcha posts and insults, somebody simply post the percentage of UK Muslims who

a) Believe homosexuality is immoral
b) Believe homosexuality should be illegal

Link to the source and I'll go with that. What could be easier?
 
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