Well, this politcal cartoon sure is spot on.

[acbytesla]

Do you assume the law is a great arbitrator of fair penalties?

No ******* way.

It just is a very imperfect attempt.

 

[Thermal]

I both generally agree and respectfully disagree. If one simply gets in an argument and it results in fists being thrown, you are absolutely right, it isn't dehumanizing. However a victim of violence can definitely be scarred and felt dehumanized. It doesn't have to be sexual for something to psychologically and emotionally damaging.

That's fair. My concern is that the damage from sexual assault eats into more corners of the victim's psyche.

I used to occasionally help in classes for women's self-defense. I'm a big guy, so I would be the attacker, in protective gear so that the woman could unload on me with realistic force.

We noticed something: if I wore full headgear with a visor, the women would give a confident attack. If I switched to open face and removed the mouthguard, I would look at them aggressively in the eyes and convincingly say threatening sexual things, and they would respond very half-heartedly. They said that they felt powerless when being dehumanized, so I think there is an extra element with sexual assaults that goes deeper.

 

[quadraginta]

Don't know if it helps, but google translate gives the following:

alumni->students
alumniu->alumniae
alumnius-Alumni (capitalization in the translation)

Don't know if that would help figure anything out?

Not really. Google Translate tries desperately and often admirably to help people out with misspellings. In this instance it is of little help.

"Alumnus" is a 2nd declension (masculine) noun. None of its forms include "alumnius".

Even as "alumna", a 1st declension (feminine) noun, there is no such form.

There is an adverb, "alumnē", which in the comparative case uses the singular neuter ending, "alumnius", but context would not suggest that this is the usage intended.

 

[Belz...]

Clearly they don't teach Latin at Yale.

 

[quadraginta]

Clearly they don't teach Latin at Yale.

Or Georgetown Prep, apparently.

If they do, then someone didn't take the classes, or maybe blacked out passed out during them.

 

[Belz...]

 

[Hellbound]

Not really. Google Translate tries desperately and often admirably to help people out with misspellings. In this instance it is of little help.

"Alumnus" is a 2nd declension (masculine) noun. None of its forms include "alumnius".

Even as "alumna", a 1st declension (feminine) noun, there is no such form.

There is an adverb, "alumnē", which in the comparative case uses the singular neuter ending, "alumnius", but context would not suggest that this is the usage intended.

Ah well, I gave a shot . The way it added the capitalization for alumnius (but not for any others) made me wonder if it was a form that implied a title of some sort (or something similar). Thanks for the Latin grammar lesson, though (not sarcastic, serious, Latin interests me...just not enough for serious study ).

 

[smartcooky]

I tell you two bullies beat me up when I was 9.

I tell you my uncle non-violently molested me when I was 9.

Which statement gets me more sympathy? Which statement makes me a bigger "victim." If I'm therapy at 40 years because I got beat up on the playground would that be considered normal?

The molestation by the Uncle is a huge betrayal of trust, which is likely to be far more devastating that getting a beating from two school bullies.

In my case, if I could go back and replace the beating (common assault) with the molestation (sexual assault), I'd take the common assault every time.

 

[LSSBB]

That's fair. My concern is that the damage from sexual assault eats into more corners of the victim's psyche.

I used to occasionally help in classes for women's self-defense. I'm a big guy, so I would be the attacker, in protective gear so that the woman could unload on me with realistic force.

We noticed something: if I wore full headgear with a visor, the women would give a confident attack. If I switched to open face and removed the mouthguard, I would look at them aggressively in the eyes and convincingly say threatening sexual things, and they would respond very half-heartedly. They said that they felt powerless when being dehumanized, so I think there is an extra element with sexual assaults that goes deeper.

Maybe, however school shootings, other retribution type violence, and suicides show that non-sexual bullying can have a severe psychological impact that can result in considerable harm to society.

 

[BadBoy]

The molestation by the Uncle is a huge betrayal of trust, which is likely to be far more devastating that getting a beating from two school bullies.

In my case, if I could go back and replace the beating (common assault) with the molestation (sexual assault), I'd take the common assault every time.

There is that aspect of betrayal of trust I hadn't thought about.

I do wonder though if both beatings and sexual assault all boils down to control by the attacker (forcing their will over someone else) and the violation of a persons self and the potential subsequent fear and sense of lack of control of the victim.

Rape is especially nasty violation of a persons self. Depending on the male though, getting seriously beaten up could have devastating consequences to the victim in a similar way.

 

[Venom]

There is that aspect of betrayal of trust I hadn't thought about.

I do wonder though if both beatings and sexual assault all boils down to control by the attacker (forcing their will over someone else) and the violation of a persons self and the potential subsequent fear and sense of lack of control of the victim.

Rape is especially nasty violation of a persons self. Depending on the male though, getting seriously beaten up could have devastating consequences to the victim in a similar way.

I wanted to be careful and said I was comparing non-penetrative sexual assault or violations. It appears though that some of you agree vicious physical battery can be comparable to even rape, though I suppose it's easy for someone who hasn't experienced both to judge, nor have I looked at the literature.

It would depend on the severity.

 

[LSSBB]

I wanted to be careful and said I was comparing non-penetrative sexual assault or violations. It appears though that some of you agree vicious physical battery can be comparable to even rape, though I suppose it's easy for someone who hasn't experienced both to judge, nor have I looked at the literature.

It would depend on the severity.

Severity... and pervasiveness.

 

[smartcooky]

I do wonder though if both beatings and sexual assault all boils down to control by the attacker (forcing their will over someone else) and the violation of a persons self and the potential subsequent fear and sense of lack of control of the victim.

Most professional sex crimes investigators will tell you that rape is not about sex, its about force and control.

 

[Minoosh]

I know I'm coming into this late and hence most likely way off topic at this stage, but the cartoon in the OP reminded me strongly of this.

Very interesting article. Thanks.

 

[Lithrael]

Severity... and pervasiveness.

Yeah. I think someone already said in the thread, it’s one thing if you get in a scrap and get beat up. It’s something else if you’re beaten up and under threat that you can’t do anything about it, for example for social reasons; a well connected bully, a school or town that looks the other way. I think that kind of thing is a huge factor in elevating a bad experience to a traumatic one.

As with the hypothetical molesting uncle, maybe it’s not so much the incident as the way the guy is family and always around and other family loves the guy and there’s a whole package of strife attached to any attempt to address the problem.

 

[This is The End]

Change the cufflinks to a donkey and it works for 1998 too.

Only a Republican could equate consensual sex with attempted rape.

 

[This is The End]

"Hello Mr. Rapist would you ever so kindly provide me with your name, social security number, finger prints, and home of address before you go?"

You've never heard of a rape kit?

How the **** do you use a rape kit on an attempted rape??

You do realize that attempted rape is illegal too right?

 

[thaiboxerken]

How the **** do you use a rape kit on an attempted rape??

You do realize that attempted rape is illegal too right?

In the Trump era, attempted anything shouldn't be worried about. (Unless it's by a librull.)

 

[This is The End]

The argument is that she would have no motive to lie. The counter-argument is that there are many plausible motives to lie that cannot be ruled out.

If only Republicans would apply that same logic to both sides.

Kavanaugh was caught in multiple lies that day. She was not. That leads credence to her side of the main disagreement.

 

[Ziggurat]

How the **** do you use a rape kit on an attempted rape??

You do realize that attempted rape is illegal too right?

Joe’s hypothetical was about actual rape, not attempted rape, and so my response was too. If you don’t like the hypothetical, take it up with Joe.