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The Behavior of UK Police officers.

You people keep signaling to each other how "not racist" you are

No, no. This is bollocks. We're not signalling. We're simply not racist. The only person we are signalling to is you, the overt racist. We're telling you that you're wrong, and on that this subject you don't know your arse from your elbow.

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BTW, I notice you have ignored my suggestion that you name any street you like in the UK and we'll see if we can find someone to go and walk along it. Why have you ignored that?
 
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......we have police snipers, water cannons, armoured vehicles, CS Gas launchers, baton rounds, melee weapons, specialist support vehicles etc.........

I don't want to divert the thread, but my understanding is that you may have water canon, but you don't have the right to use them. Is this not the case? (I'm obviously talking of UK other than Northern Ireland).
 
I don't want to divert the thread, but my understanding is that you may have water canon, but you don't have the right to use them. Is this not the case? (I'm obviously talking of UK other than Northern Ireland).

I think currently the only operational unites are stationed in NI and haven't been deployed in the mainland for quite some time. However we do have a variety of what are called Less Lethal Technologies available and a Chief Constable has also almost complete autonomy over the resources and tactics they deploy. However I'm also a few years out of touch with, so I wouldn't take my word for it, it was just one of the things I thought of during that response which turned out rather longer than I'd planned!

Edit - Ok, so it seems that currently water cannon are prohibited from mainland use, by Ministerial statement. It could be revoked if needed though. Apologies for the misinformation.
 
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No, let me try to explain. You said, in terms, "0 percent" of Muslims (by which you meant British muslims) believe homosexuality is immoral. That claim is falsifiable by there being one single British muslim who doesn't take that position. OK? Agreed?

Who could disagree with such a well-framed, relevant and honest argument? You certainly win this debate, my assertions crumble to dust in the face of your incisive observations, however obtained.
 
Of course. Anybody who says that progress has been achieved because of the whiteness, or beigeness, of those in power is clearly mad. The key factors are culture, values and vision and it is indisputable that the culture of some immigrant communities is opposed, sometimes markedly so, to modern liberal values. Admitting this is not racist and it is not bigoted, it's a plain fact. And yes, I'm struggling to connect this with 'the behaviour of UK police officers' but nobody else is doing any better.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that as a general point.
 
There is nothing special about the Muslim communities in Britain, they have the same problems and challenges as policing many other types of communities, whether geographical, religious, ethnic etc.

This is simply not true. Why would it be? Homogeneous communities are different and therefore have different strengths and weaknesses (although the strengths in Muslim communities are often cunningly concealed). Diversity swings both ways. Muslim communities (considered as a distinct subset of Muslims in the UK) have very specific and serious problems, the most obvious being the rape gangs occurring in practically every major town and city in England. Muslims are over-represented by 300% in the prison system and so too in crimes such as heroin trafficking and, of course, terrorism.

I can understand that people who lap up the mainstream media would attempt to deny this. You only have to Google 'Muslim crime UK' to see the problem. From the top 10 results, six are from the news media, and appear at the top.

What are they? The 36 people, including 22 children, who were killed by Islamic terrorists in 2017 alone? The rape scandal which saw 1,400 underage girls raped and tortured in a single town by primarily Muslim gangs, with the estimated nationwide figure being orders of magnitude greater? No, there's no mention of any of that, instead we get:

  1. Record number of anti-Muslim attacks reported in UK last year
  2. Street attacks on Muslims rocket in UK
  3. Muslim hate crime 'rises 65% in London'
  4. UK police: possible hate crime outside Muslim center
  5. Anti-Muslim hate crime in the UK is at an all-time high
  6. London Muslim center collision investigated as possible hate crime

Hmm. Hate crime. Not very nice but kind of fades into the background compared to 22 dead kids at a concert.
 
I think currently the only operational unites are stationed in NI and haven't been deployed in the mainland for quite some time. However we do have a variety of what are called Less Lethal Technologies available and a Chief Constable has also almost complete autonomy over the resources and tactics they deploy. However I'm also a few years out of touch with, so I wouldn't take my word for it, it was just one of the things I thought of during that response which turned out rather longer than I'd planned!

Edit - Ok, so it seems that currently water cannon are prohibited from mainland use, by Ministerial statement. It could be revoked if needed though. Apologies for the misinformation.

Boris allowed the Met to buy some surplus German water cannons after the riots. They have been used in a bit in training, but otherwise languished in a police compound ever since it was made clear the government had no intention of sanctioning their use.
 
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I don't think anyone would disagree with that as a general point.

You'd be surprised. But it's when we delve into the detail that people become outraged, as we'll no doubt soon see in this very thread. If admitting that some immigrant communities behave in ways contrary to progressive society and law and order is acceptable, then going on to state who they are suddenly becomes racist and bigoted. I call it exactly as I see it, so whether the bad apples are white Christians (which they are, a subset of them are the very worst) or dark-skinned Muslims, I don't see any point in skirting around the issue for fear of causing offence.
 
Way to duck the question. Going from 96% white to 91% white doesn't really fit my definition of "more diverse." But it was nearly all white people who enacted the legislation. Back to the question: Do you expect Muslims not to upend gay rights if they get enough political power?

According to the 2010 census, the racial composition of Spokane was: 87% White, 2% African American, 2% Native American, 2.5% Asian, and 0.6% Pacific Islander. 1.3% of people were from other races while 4.6% were from two or more races. Hispanics and Latinos of any race accounted for 5% of the population.3 Jun 2018

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Boris allowed the Met to buy some surplus German water cannons after the riots. They have been used in a bit in training, but otherwise languished in a police compound ever since it was made clear the government had no intention of sanctioning their use.

Thanks for the correction
 
"Gun death" problem but a "death problem" on par with any other white country when you control for black criminality.

The USA still has a gun death problem and an out of control number of guns, no matter how much you play with the stats and what you count.
 

Whites riot, are in violent gangs and anti-establishment/police. When they also start shooting and bombing, the UK police react appropriately.

Not in the current year. On the contrary you haven't shown any evidence UK police can stand up to Muslims.

I have pointed to the arrest, trials and convictions of Muslim gangs.

I've given video footage of police running from and submitting to Muslims.

The UK police are unarmed and have limited offensive weapons for dealing with riots. Hence the tactics are different.

There was only a brief retreat. The way you are going on you would think the police have never been back since.

I've given statements of police apologizing to victims of rape for their cowardice, along with much other evidence.

Indeed and those faults have since been corrected.

Here's a description of a YouTube video of a confrontation between UK police and Muslims.

"This happened in Nelson. Notice the police didn't run away like their southern counterparts in 2009."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1LgIylHu0

Wow. Looks like Britons are just happy when cops don't run away from Muslims.

Stop trying to make out every single time the police confront a Muslim gang, the police back down and the Muslims win. You are being very dishonest.
 
Boris allowed the Met to buy some surplus German water cannons after the riots. They have been used in a bit in training, but otherwise languished in a police compound ever since it was made clear the government had no intention of sanctioning their use.


Sadiq Khan was supposed to be selling them again: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...non-boris-johnson-sold-off-without-being-used

I’m not sure how much of a market there is for second-hand water cannon.
 
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This is simply not true. Why would it be? Homogeneous communities are different and therefore have different strengths and weaknesses (although the strengths in Muslim communities are often cunningly concealed). Diversity swings both ways. Muslim communities (considered as a distinct subset of Muslims in the UK) have very specific and serious problems

I appreciate what you mean, sure different groups require different strategies, but the challenges in everyday policing such as lack of reporting from such groups, intelligence gathering, concealment etc are pretty much the same, whatever the group and their reasons are. I was viewing that from the perspective of routine policing, rather than terrorism.

the most obvious being the rape gangs occurring in practically every major town and city in England.

Sexual assault and predatory behavior does occur pretty much everywhere, but a claim of organized rape gangs in every major city, Muslim or not, probably requires it's own thread. I won't rule out that such things might be happening, sex trafficking of many different kinds is a genuine problem, but not specifically a Muslim thing to my knowledge. Happy to learn more of course if you could provide some sources.

Muslims are over-represented by 300% in the prison system and so too in crimes such as heroin trafficking and, of course, terrorism.
This is interesting and if true definitely warrants it's own thread. 300% over-representation (by population percentage) is a staggering amount and certainly warrants discussion. However in this particular thread it is also completely contradictory to the OP that Muslims are running wild and not being challenged by the Police.

I can understand that people who lap up the mainstream media would attempt to deny this. ...... Hate crime. Not very nice but kind of fades into the background compared to 22 dead kids at a concert.

Well I'm not going to argue against the idea media reporting can be a problem or can provide an unbalanced perspective. As I mentioned with Baylor, Rotherham was horrific and I'm not going to defend the failings that were uncovered, but at least some progress has made since. I won't pretend that such things can't happen again but I hope that we can do a better job to prevent anything happening on that scale.

The Manchester bombing was terrible, targeting civilians is always reprehensible and feels even worse when children are involved. Radical ideology is a serious problem and a difficult one to address. Islamic terrorism is obviously the current ideology that has led directly to attacks, but it isn't the only one and it isn't solved by alienating the people who can help us best defeat it. Contrary to some opinions not every community has links to terrorism, or supports radical Islam. They are not all in isolation or anti police and the majority actively condemn such actions and co-operate with authorities. Of course there are exceptions, in any group you apply a label too there will be a wide variety of individuals, good and bad. There are real problems, some of which include people who are Muslim, but the reason I de-lurked is that inaccurate misinformation and hyperbole. deliberately misleading propaganda and vilifying entire groups, are good examples of those problems. It's the same kind of manipulation often used to recruit extremists and we should do better, not stoop to their level.
 
.......This is interesting and if true definitely warrants it's own thread. 300% over-representation (by population percentage) is a staggering amount and certainly warrants discussion. However in this particular thread it is also completely contradictory to the OP that Muslims are running wild and not being challenged by the Police.........

Precisely why I brought it up in the first place. No counterargument from the OP as yet, so maybe he has actually taken that fact on board. It should cause him to have a little re-think about his entire thesis, but he's probably just living with the cognitive dissonance.
 
Way to duck the question. Going from 96% white to 91% white doesn't really fit my definition of "more diverse."

Then you don't understand the meaning of the word "more". If English isn't your first language do let us know and we can make allowances.

Do you expect Muslims not to upend gay rights if they get enough political power?

No.

The longer immigrants live here the more liberal and westernised they become.
 
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What do the dozens personal attacks on me have to do with the behavior of UK police? You're suppose to be a dispassionate moderator. Act like one.

If you think any rules have been broken report the offending posts.
 
I do apologise for talking about Morocco, I should never have brought it up :confused:

OK, let me try and explain. Homosexuality itself is not a cultural position, it's a function of biology. The existence of homosexual Muslims has no connection whatsoever with the cultural and religious views of Muslims on this matter. Neither is it of great surprise that homosexuals are in favour of gay rights. Luckily, those gay Muslims in your photo are able to express their sexuality because they live in the progressive, tolerant society of Great Britain. If they tried that in Yemen or Afghanistan or Somalia, they would be murdered.

Your claim was zero percent muslims. Doesn't the existence of gay muslims show that your zero percent is wrong?
 

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