The Behavior of UK Police officers.

[Information Analyst]

Third world people upend animal rights laws.

Who and how?

What makes you think they won't do the same for gay rights?

What makes you think "they" will or even can?

 

[Shalamar]

Or because I don't answer personal question from people I cant stand.

*snip pointless gif*

Have you ever visited the UK?

 

[fagin]

Could he even find it on a map?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

A very good point.

I thought there might be confusion between chief inspector and chief constable because it's not remotely obvious that the latter is a much more senior rank.

 

[Information Analyst]

I thought there might be confusion between chief inspector and chief constable because it's not remotely obvious that the latter is a much more senior rank.

Indeed, it's fourth in the nine ranks found in most territorial forces, although the Met has a couple more on top (Deputy Commissioner and Commissioner).

 

[Andy_Ross]

No, that's a classic. This is Feelgood nonsense...

Sorry, No Wilko, that's not Dr Feelgood.

 

[Dancing David]

By most measures, Americans are far better off (and safer) than they were 50 years ago, too. The whole idea that diversity and immigration (legal or not) are ruining America is just a flat-out lie propagated by irrational white people and the evil scum that want their votes at any cost.

Shhh, you will disturb the sheep

 

[Nessie]

I did public order training in Scptland. Our equipment consisted of a flame proof boiler suit, heavy duty steel toe-capped boots, armoured gloves (like biker gloves), velcro attached body armour on the arms and legs, a helmet and a polycarbonate shield.

That was it. Probably the least equipped public order police in the world. Thank goodness the Scots have little to no history of rioting.

We were well trained, fit and a petrol bomb is very hot when you have to walk through one that has just exploded. We were also taught barricade removal methods and building entry, which was like a Roman phalanx, shields covering all sides.

I was used a few times purely as containment, back up and just as a presence to deter problems. Plus removal of violent prisoners from cells.

The tactic if we were outnumbered, was an organised retreat to a position that could be held and then push forward when possible, the aim being to disperse any crowd.

That the British police are mostly unarmed and it is drummed into us to use minimum force and be patient, is why certain tactics that a motormouth can dismiss as cowardice, are used.

 

[Nessie]

Crime has been rising throughout the country. It coincides with cuts to budgets and numbers,a nd nothing else.

Or, it is because it suits police management to record crime so it appears to be rising, along with press scare stories, as a means to put pressure on the government to stop cutting police numbers in England & Wales.

In Scotland the SNP government boosted police numbers with a big recruitment drive. That sounds great, till you find out that numerous people were employed who otherwise would not have been and there has been a drop in standards of both intelligence and fitness.

 

[BStrong]

I did public order training in Scptland. Our equipment consisted of a flame proof boiler suit, heavy duty steel toe-capped boots, armoured gloves (like biker gloves), velcro attached body armour on the arms and legs, a helmet and a polycarbonate shield.

That was it. Probably the least equipped public order police in the world. Thank goodness the Scots have little to no history of rioting.

We were well trained, fit and a petrol bomb is very hot when you have to walk through one that has just exploded. We were also taught barricade removal methods and building entry, which was like a Roman phalanx, shields covering all sides.

I was used a few times purely as containment, back up and just as a presence to deter problems. Plus removal of violent prisoners from cells.

The tactic if we were outnumbered, was an organised retreat to a position that could be held and then push forward when possible, the aim being to disperse any crowd.

That the British police are mostly unarmed and it is drummed into us to use minimum force and be patient, is why certain tactics that a motormouth can dismiss as cowardice, are used.

A cynical retired American cop could make the observation that the real benefit is that it's less expensive for the agency to pay the medical bills for an injured officer and less potential risk of adverse action against LE administrators in minimizing the use of force by their officers.

An administrator may be fired if one of their officers uses force, but it would not be likely that they'd face adverse consequences if the officer was seriously injured or killed otj.

An observation by participants in the US not often discussed in public is that having the insurance carrier pay a death benefit to a widow is less expensive than a possible use of force lawsuit award, even ones not involving lethal force use.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

So how come they manage to arrest so many Muslims? You know, being as Muslims are so over-represented in our prisons.

Honestly, this is like arguing with a 2 year old.

It's like when people claim Tommy Robinson was 'exposing' Muslim gangs that were being protected and covered up by the police. Protected and covered up apart from the bit where they were arrested, charged and undergoing prosecution at that exact time of course.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

When I see a publicity photo of some police community engagement event, how do I tell whether the policemen are kowtowing to the Muslims as opposed to merely consorting with the enemy? Is some degree of prostration needed?

I hear some of them have been consorting with the WI They're some dangerous subversives!

 

[Nessie]

A cynical retired American cop could make the observation that the real benefit is that it's less expensive for the agency to pay the medical bills for an injured officer and less potential risk of adverse action against LE administrators in minimizing the use of force by their officers.

An administrator may be fired if one of their officers uses force, but it would not be likely that they'd face adverse consequences if the officer was seriously injured or killed otj.

An observation by participants in the US not often discussed in public is that having the insurance carrier pay a death benefit to a widow is less expensive than a possible use of force lawsuit award, even ones not involving lethal force use.

Your cynicism is wrong. It has been that way since Sir Robert Peel introduced policing as we know it to the UK and the idea of policing by consent was introduced;

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/policing-by-consent/definition-of-policing-by-consent

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Who?

Sir Tom Winsor

He's a lawyer and economic regulator who was appointed Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Constabulary in 2012, he isn't and has never been a policeman, he was previously rail regulator and oversaw the collapse of Railtrack (he's never been a train driver either if you're wondering). The Inspectorate of Constabulary has existed since the 1850's and he's the only person to ever be appointed who hasn't had experience serving in the police force. He was nominated by Theresa May after performing a review of pay and terms of service in the police force for her while she was Home Secretary and his appointment lead to a protest march by 30,000 police officers. He's also caused controversy by wearing a uniform he wasn't entitled to.

One suspects his 'street level' experience might be somewhat limited, but anyway he stressed (as has been pointed out in the thread) that he was talking about a reluctance to call on the police and specifically not "no-go zones", anyway his comments weren't supported by the five Inspectors of Constabulary who do have policing experience.

TomWinsor

 

[Baylor]

I did public order training in Scptland. Our equipment consisted of a flame proof boiler suit, heavy duty steel toe-capped boots, armoured gloves (like biker gloves), velcro attached body armour on the arms and legs, a helmet and a polycarbonate shield.

That was it. Probably the least equipped public order police in the world. Thank goodness the Scots have little to no history of rioting.
We were well trained, fit and a petrol bomb is very hot when you have to walk through one that has just exploded. We were also taught barricade removal methods and building entry, which was like a Roman phalanx, shields covering all sides.

I was used a few times purely as containment, back up and just as a presence to deter problems. Plus removal of violent prisoners from cells.

The tactic if we were outnumbered, was an organised retreat to a position that could be held and then push forward when possible, the aim being to disperse any crowd.

That the British police are mostly unarmed and it is drummed into us to use minimum force and be patient, is why certain tactics that a motormouth can dismiss as cowardice, are used.

Thank you for helping to prove my point. British style police force works in lily white countries but not "multicultural" ones. There's a reason why UK police are losing control of the streets. There's a reason why US cops don't go on the internet and get advice from self-styles skeptics who like to get lost in their own thoughts. You people just have this idea that all people are white, or can act white once they step into white countries. The police in the US have two choices: police the way they do, or give the streets to criminals.

 

[Baylor]

Strangely as the UK became even more diverse we gained such things as "gay rights" - when I was born it was still illegal for a male homosexual to have sex with another man. Those laws went back to when we were ruled by predominantly white men, with sometimes a smattering of black people e.g. Irish in there.

Way to duck the question. Going from 96% white to 91% white doesn't really fit my definition of "more diverse." But it was nearly all white people who enacted the legislation. Back to the question: Do you expect Muslims not to upend gay rights if they get enough political power?

 

[fagin]

....You people just have this idea that all people are white, or can act white once they step into white countries. ....

Sieg heil.....

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Thank you for helping to prove my point. British style police force works in lily white countries but not "multicultural" ones. There's a reason why UK police are losing control of the streets. There's a reason why US cops don't go on the internet and get advice from self-styles skeptics who like to get lost in their own thoughts. You people just have this idea that all people are white, or can act white once they step into white countries. The police in the US have two choices: police the way they do, or give the streets to criminals.

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Still it seems the answer for the Uk is to ban Americans since they cant be controlled by UK Style policing and thus present a threat to public order.

 

[Nessie]

Thank you for helping to prove my point. British style police force works in lily white countries but not "multicultural" ones.

Just to confirm, you are saying non whites need force and violence to successfully police them? Is that correct?

There's a reason why UK police are losing control of the streets.

There is no loss of control in Scotland. Northern Ireland still has areas where the police struggle due to the remaining gangs and paramilitary activity from the Troubles. England has pockets where there are issues, but most of the country is fine, as is Wales.

There's a reason why US cops don't go on the internet and get advice from self-styles skeptics who like to get lost in their own thoughts. You people just have this idea that all people are white, or can act white once they step into white countries. The police in the US have two choices: police the way they do, or give the streets to criminals.

Some Americans think that the softer approach used in Scotland is a way to reduce the deaths;

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/...and-get-lessons-on-avoiding-deadly-force.html

Calming people down, patience, containment, respect, non lethal tactics, negotiation, humour and not having to be armed works here.

I personally think it will never work in the USA as the USA has lost control of its guns, its policing is based on force and it has horrendous racial issues. The UK does not have those issues.

 

[Her Dark Star]

A cynical retired American cop could make the observation that the real benefit is that it's less expensive for the agency to pay the medical bills for an injured officer and less potential risk of adverse action against LE administrators in minimizing the use of force by their officers.

Peelian principles aside (and you'd be surprised at how much of the traditional attitude still exists in some forces), no police force pays any medical bills, so not a factor. In the UK an officers treatment would be handled on the NHS, so covered by the state automatically just as for any other citizen.