You are forgetting that these people really think God is on their side; that renders them capable of anything. Just look at history.
Iran calls to destroy Israel, solves the "who's gonna hit Iran's nukes" question.
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You are forgetting that these people really think God is on their side; that renders them capable of anything. Just look at history.
Yeah, well, I'm pretty certain that suicide bombers know they're gonna die, too, but that doesn't stop them. And like it or not, suicide bombers are running the show in Tehran.
Kinda puts a whole new perspective on what really constitutes religious extremism in government, and it AIN'T about how many times a guy says "God" in a speech.
It's a bell curve, not black and white. But I agree Bush is not even close to the extremist that the Madcap Mullahs of Tehran are.
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And MAD let to proxy wars, where the US and the USSR would sponsor armed groups in unstable regions to gain influence. That may have been better than all-out war, but it was hardly peace. And that's likely what a nuclear-armed Iran would also produce: an increase in state-sponsored terrorism from Iran, who wouldn't have to worry about retaliation against them because nobody would be willing to engage in nuclear war over it. The problem doesn't go away just because Iran probably wouldn't use them as a first-strike weapon: their very existence would allow Iran to become aggressive and violent by other means.
Yeah but if one of the sides believes "god wishes it" then the assured point becomes moot - there is always the next life.
Actually, I often agree with Mycroft. And said so shortly after I started posting here, and we wound up on a thread together.
And I don't care about "credibility", other than at my job (where I need people to listen to my professional opinion and give it serious consideration). Here, I just say what I have to say, and don't care what people think of it. Pleasing other people isn't part of the equation. (Check the quote from Ali in my sig)
I somehow think that your definition of credibility is "agrees with me", and your definition of someone not being credible is "they don't agree with me".
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two words: Suitcase Nukes.
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Funny thing, every so often someone on these forums will threaten someone with something silly. You're gonna lose your "credibility" or someone's "respect" or such nonsense. You know, like if you disagree with them and continue to do so even after they've very patiently explained to you why you should be reasonable and change your mind.
BTW, I totally disagree that Byron was clean cut. Rumor has it he was a bisexual, he probably slept with his half-sister and fathered a child by her, and he hung out with Percy and Mary Shelly, you know, the famous ones. He may not have been the Marilyn Manson of his age, but he was certainly a bad boy.
Well a tiny peice of good seems to have come out of this:
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If the PA told Saeb Erekat the sky was pink he would publicly announce the sky is pink. If they told him it was purple, he would say it is purple. Saeb Erekat is the PA's Bahgdad Bob.
Meanwhile on the ground...
(emphasis mine) Gosh, I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but it doesn't sound like Hamas, Islamic Jihad OR the Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades recognizes Israel to me. And how many time has the PA publicy announced it is going to disarm these Palestinian militants - who do not recognize Israel? 10? 20? 50? 100? Everyone take a minute and think how many times have you heard that promise now...to disarm the militants....I've heard that "promise" repeated endlessly on TV, radio and in print since the mid-90s.
Anyhow... if the PA did really did recognize Israel - as Erekat states - then they have an obligation under the many peace treaties that the Palestinians signed to disarm the Palestinian terrorist groups - who ironically operate with impunity in Palestinian cities and towns. Hell the Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades is part of Fatah...and Fatah is the ruling party of the Palestinian Authority...which Abbas is the head of! As skeptics doesn't it strike you as odd that one of the terrorist groups killing Israelis and calling for Israel's destruction is part of the ruling party of the Palestinian Authority - which has yet-to-be-disarmed?
As the old saying goes "I may have been born at night but it wasn't last night". Saeb is playing a PR game I have seen played year after year and time after time Darat. The PA says one thing to the world and does another on the ground.
Meanwhile back to the topic....
In Iran - the folks who arm and finance these Palestinian terror groups the Palestinian Authority promises to disarm "any day now".
They are all frikkin nuts. Al Aksa, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Iran, Syria...they are all just plain frikkin nuts... if only they would use all the negative energy to help people instead of kill people maybe the world would be a better place...but noooooo...
What is interesting is that we have a clear, repeated, and obviously serious call for genocide and a second holocaust... but the "human rights watchers" in this forum and elsewhere seem to care... not at all.
Somehow, there isn't any campaign to divest from Iran, or a ton of UN resolutions condemning their desire to genocide the jews, or the refusal of academics to accept Iranian students, or a call to nominate those who "exposed Iran's nuclear plans" to be honorary chairs of universities, or "peace activists" marching in protest at Iran's agression, or anything.
Dead jews are not news, I guess.
Somehow, there isn't any campaign to divest from Iran, or a ton of UN resolutions condemning their desire to genocide the jews, or the refusal of academics to accept Iranian students, or a call to nominate those who "exposed Iran's nuclear plans" to be honorary chairs of universities, or "peace activists" marching in protest at Iran's agression, or anything.
Dead jews are not news, I guess.
Er... right. Yesterday and today I've read a whole lot of people condemning this from around the world , from calls for them to be thrown out of the UN, statements that this is not acceptable and so on from Prime Ministers and Presidents.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4383856.stm
As for "Dead jews are not news, I guess." - the BBC news department would disagree with you.
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Not at all, I was going to post myself how the UN has condemned the threat. So do I.
Well, the UN has condemned the remarks. We can all sleep easier.
I think the point, Darat, is that those non-governmental world bodies that are quick to bitch about Isreal (and take action...the International Red Cross comes to mind) are silent.
I think the point, Darat, is that those non-governmental world bodies that are quick to bitch about Isreal (and take action...the International Red Cross comes to mind) are silent.
Really? Cool! I'll have to read up on him a bit more.
Yay...people are condemning it. So...now what? Is anyone going to do anything? Or just keep condemning it until Iran nukes Israel, and then condemn it again?
A bunch of Tomahawk cruise missles launched at all of Iran's nuclear facilities can fix (or rather, eliminate) this threat in a matter of minutes. They've just earned that action. No troops needed. Just destroy all of their nuclear facilities. We've got the equipment to do it. There is NOTHING anyone can do to stop it. So lets get it done.
Yeah but why would anyone expect the same level of condemnation? Most of the condemnation of Israel (that isn't based on idealogical stupidity) is based on the actions the Israeli nation carries out not because of a what an Israeli President says i and speech. The two are not directly comparable.
(And because it's this subject here I feel forced to make sure it is clearly known that I think Israel has the same right to exist as any other nation, I think there are groups of people who identify themselves as Palestinians and representatives of Palestinians who are among the most barbaric and disgusting terrorists imaginable, I believe Israel has a right to defend itself, I believe that Palestinians have the right to what I consider the basic human rights which also includes the right to defend themselves. I believe Israeli policies have time and time again been wrong, I believe that actions by the Palestinians groups have time and time again been wrong.)
I at least partly agree with you, I just don't think at this time that it is practical to take such action given what I imagine the consequences of such an action would be.
And what are the consequences of NOT acting? When will the right time be?