Lessons to be learned from the Kavanaugh Hearing

[The Great Zaganza]

So is it confusion or dishonesty that makes people keep saying that Ford stated there were only four other people at the party?

It's their version of a "Perjury Trap".

 

[Slings and Arrows]

So is it confusion or dishonesty that makes people keep saying that Ford stated there were only four other people at the party?

"The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others."
-- Christine Blasey Ford (July 30, 2018)

 

[quadraginta]

These days, party before country is standard practice.

Is there beer at this party?

If it's a Republican party, probably bourbon.

Made in a 'dry' county.

 

[quadraginta]

"The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others."
-- Christine Blasey Ford (July 30, 2018)

When you read that word, what makes you believe that it actually means "only"?

 

[thaiboxerken]

When you read that word, what makes you believe that it actually means "only"?

I'm going to Disneyland with my fiancee in a few weeks.


In Republican world, this means that I'm claiming that we're the only 2 people that will be there..........

 

[Slings and Arrows]

When you read that word, what makes you believe that it actually means "only"?

When questioned about it, Dr. Ford admitted that she really has no idea at all how many people were there. Or where she was, how she got there, how she got home, what day it was, what year it was, and so on...

 

[quadraginta]

When questioned about it, Dr. Ford admitted that she really has no idea at all how many people were there. Or where she was, how she got there, how she got home, what day it was, what year it was, and so on...

In what way is this response relevant to the question which I posed?

 

[varwoche]

"The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and 4 others."
-- Christine Blasey Ford (July 30, 2018)

I addressed this in a different thread but it bears repeating here.

Brace yourself S&A. There are some highly complex factors you need to consider, requiring your full attention. Turn off the AM radio for a moment and focus. It's possible that people arrived at the gathering after Ford left. I realize it may take a while to digest this startling possibility; take your time.

 

[theprestige]

Assuming there were at least two dozen other qualified candidates, would you hire someone who answered questions during an interview the way he did?

That's a complex question that I don't have a simple answer to.

To which I don't have a simple answer.

The best way I can think to put it right now is, nobody sounds like Martin Sheen written by Aaron Sorkin, when they're answering questions from hostile senators farming partisan gotchas. It's not a spectacle I enjoy watching, and it's not a criteria I generally apply.

 

[JoeMorgue]

The best way I can think to put it right now is, nobody sounds like Martin Sheen written by Aaron Sorkin, when they're answering questions from hostile senators farming partisan gotchas. It's not a spectacle I enjoy watching, and it's not a criteria I generally apply.

The umpires being dirty does not make the play legal.

"The Democrats are being opportunistic and Kavanaugh is unfit" is not a paradox.

 

[Belz...]

That's a complex question that I don't have a simple answer to.

Sounds pretty simple to me.

 

[theprestige]

Is that the part of his answer I was addressing?

The question was perjury. You shifted to a different point. I just wanted to make sure we agreed that there is no perjury in the text we were discussing, before moving on to other points.

 

[Imhotep]

You made a valid point upthread, that he technically didn't claim that he was of legal age (that it was sledgehammered in implication is pretty obvious, but never mind).

But what of these absurd justifications for boofing and the Devils Triangle? Transparent lies, and as I've noted, easily explainable as youthful immaturity. But he lied. In the here and now, to the Senate. Should that be swept under the rug?

I'd like to see a supporter of Kavanaugh address these points. Or just keep focusing on issues besides the character of the man that is up for confirmation?

 

[theprestige]

The umpires being dirty does not make the play legal.

"The Democrats are being opportunistic and Kavanaugh is unfit" is not a paradox.

This is perhaps remotely related to the question I was actually answering.

 

[theprestige]

Sounds pretty simple to me.

Since the question was directed to me, how it seems to me is probably the important thing.

 

[Ziggurat]

You made a valid point upthread, that he technically didn't claim that he was of legal age (that it was sledgehammered in implication is pretty obvious, but never mind).

But what of these absurd justifications for boofing and the Devils Triangle? Transparent lies, and as I've noted, easily explainable as youthful immaturity. But he lied. In the here and now, to the Senate. Should that be swept under the rug?

THIS is the read du jour for disqualifying Kavanaugh? That's just desperate.

No, actually, they aren't transparent lies. I've never heard either term used as slang before. If they have some commonly accepted meaning now, that doesn't mean that that's what Kavanaugh meant back then. It's entirely possible he meant something else, and was honest about what he meant by it. It's entirely possible that he's just unaware of the common current usage. Hell, it's entirely possible he was unaware of the common usage back then. As has been pointed out, that was pre-internet days. Slang was more fragmented.

I personally went for many years under a serious misapprehension about what OPP stood for. I no longer know where I got the wrong definition from, or whether I was deliberately or accidentally misinformed.

 

[varwoche]

The umpires being dirty does not make the play legal.

"The Democrats are being opportunistic and Kavanaugh is unfit" is not a paradox.

Indeed.

I'm perfectly willing to stipulate that (1) both parties always try to manipulate events for partisan purposes and they are doing so now and (2) the Dems would like very much to delay/obstruct a Trump nomination -- Kavenaugh or whoever -- beyond the election, although most are too smart not to realize the odds are nil.

Like you say, none if this speaks to Kavenaugh's fitness for SCOTUS.

 

[Ziggurat]

So is it confusion or dishonesty that makes people keep saying that Ford stated there were only four other people at the party?

Ford's account kept changing, so you should probably specify which account you're referring to.

But you do have a point, her recollection of the exact number of people there is less important than facts like she lied about her motive for the counseling session that recovered this supposed past trauma.

 

[theprestige]

I'm pretty sure urbandictionary.com is not a reasonable source of truth for slang terms.

 

[Imhotep]

THIS is the read du jour for disqualifying Kavanaugh? That's just desperate.

No, actually, they aren't transparent lies. I've never heard either term used as slang before. If they have some commonly accepted meaning now, that doesn't mean that that's what Kavanaugh meant back then. It's entirely possible he meant something else, and was honest about what he meant by it. It's entirely possible that he's just unaware of the common current usage. Hell, it's entirely possible he was unaware of the common usage back then. As has been pointed out, that was pre-internet days. Slang was more fragmented.

I personally went for many years under a serious misapprehension about what OPP stood for. I no longer know where I got the wrong definition from, or whether I was deliberately or accidentally misinformed.

The terms' meaning were not only disputed by viewers familiar with the terms, but also by his own classmates.