New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

[Meadmaker]

This idea that blackouts are relevant to the allegations of sexual assault is laughable.

Are sexual assaults committed by people who have blacked out?
Are sexual assaults committed by people who are drunk, but have not blacked out?
Are sexual assaults committed by people who are sober?

If someone has been accused of sexual assault, and he has never blacked out, would you trust his answer when he denies committing sexual assault?


If someone has been accused of sexual assault, and it can be confirmed that he blacked out at least once, would you trust his answer when he denies committing sexual assault?


The correct answers to the above questions are yes, yes, yes, no, no. So, what information did we get by asking whether the person blacked out?


Furthermore, the members of the committee had already seen evidence that Brett Kavanaugh was a major partier in 1982 and thereabouts, as were most members of class of '83, so, were they really trying to learn anything by asking him about his drinking?


If you think that committee members were trying to gather facts or understand situations when they asked him about the extent of his drinking, you are hopelessly naïve.

 

[The Big Dog]

No, I am claiming that "mandatory school attire" with a narrow list of choices for said attire constitute a uniform, according to both English and US English dictionary definitions.

Do I need to link the dictionary definition of mandatory?

Uni - meaning one from the Latin word unus

form - meaning appearance.

Uniform, one appearance, hence: " distinctive or characteristic clothing"

There is no requirement to be distinctive, just that everyone wearing the uniform looks the same.

Is that simple enough for you now, or would you like me to draw you a picture?

Yeah, draw me a picture of Avenatti's dupe at a house party on a weekend and put the guys in khakis and button down shirts. And red solo cups standing by a punch bowl.

So distinctive much charaacteristic.

Khakis man! No one would wear Dockers, except for the GT Prep kids.

Hee hee!!!

Beautiful

 

[Meadmaker]

A woman writes about what men don't know:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...e8-b2b5-79270f9cce17_story.html?noredirect=on

A major factor in the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States is that a large number of people, including the publishers of the Washington Post, think that the quoted article above is relevant to the question of whether or not Brett Kavanaugh committed sexual assault.



In other news, I caught the beginning of the Rush Limbaugh program today and he was crowing about a rightward shift in a couple of polls since the beginning of the Kavanaugh/Ford soap opera.


You don't see the connection? I'm not surprised. That's kind of the point.

 

[The Shrike]

That Ketterer letter - good gravy! He even begins with his mistaken impression that she was a call girl. That story is some of the most shameful slut-shaming I've ever seen.

It could also be a true story, but how would that discredit Swetnick's account? I read that thinking that if she was seeking threesomes in the 1990s then she was probably desensitized to threesomes in the 1980s. Ergo, Ketterer's statement strengthened my confidence that Swetnick would have attended the types of parties, and perhaps been a participant, in some group sexcapades – just as she describes. If we're to take the anecdote about her dad claiming that she had some issues then sure, that could also fit the profile: She was a hard-partier in her youth, abused alcohol (and probably drugs), and she may have engaged in those risky behaviors because she already had some problems and/or come to regret them later in life.

Judge her for her decisions if you like, but Ketterer's letter in no way invalidates her specific claims of Kavanaugh participating in such shenanigans. It also doesn't matter that she let the abuse happen to other girls at these parties or even if she might have willingly participated herself: Kavanaugh is not on trial for having drunken sex with girls during his high school days. He's being evaluated for the veracity of his statements suggesting that he never did anything like that.

It's almost never the deed. It's the lie about the deed that sinks these people.



In others news, I frequently use asterisks for emphasis where I have no option to italicize text.

Also, I attended a private, Catholic high school in New York, 1981–1985. The uniform for boys was dress slacks, shirt and tie, and sportjacket. Any color acceptable. Most of us wore Dickies work pants as our "dress slacks" and Timberland work boots instead of dress shoes. Of course, girls had many more restrictions on their uniforms. They could only wear a gray blazer over a dress blouse and they could wear pants or skirts, but only in Navy blue or gray.

That said, no one of us would be caught dead wearing our uniforms to a social function on the weekends. We would, however, be very inclined to wear something (jacket, sports jersey, etc.) identifying our school.

 

[Cabbage]

This idea that blackouts are relevant to the allegations of sexual assault is laughable.

Are sexual assaults committed by people who have blacked out?
Are sexual assaults committed by people who are drunk, but have not blacked out?
Are sexual assaults committed by people who are sober?

If someone has been accused of sexual assault, and he has never blacked out, would you trust his answer when he denies committing sexual assault?


If someone has been accused of sexual assault, and it can be confirmed that he blacked out at least once, would you trust his answer when he denies committing sexual assault?


The correct answers to the above questions are yes, yes, yes, no, no. So, what information did we get by asking whether the person blacked out?


Furthermore, the members of the committee had already seen evidence that Brett Kavanaugh was a major partier in 1982 and thereabouts, as were most members of class of '83, so, were they really trying to learn anything by asking him about his drinking?


If you think that committee members were trying to gather facts or understand situations when they asked him about the extent of his drinking, you are hopelessly naïve.

You're missing the possibility that if the sexual assault was committed during a blackout, he may be simultaneously guilty and ignorant of his guilt at the same time.

In other words, if he's susceptible to blacking out, he may not even realize his own guilt.

 

[Stacyhs]

Some people dig holes, realize their mistake, and then climb out. Others get a back hoe, continue to dig the hole deeper, add water, then wallow in the mud all while claiming there is no hole.

 

[phiwum]

Indeed. It was some time before I realized that splitting a 12 pack at lunch was not really normal. I try not to think about the times we tried to split a case.

The most embarrassing aspect of those lunches: to afford the cheap beer we would typically get Arby's.

In my high school days, we smoked pot during lunch. Easier to get and consume than beer.

In this, I do not kid. Youngsters here may not realize how much freedom we had in the eighties. Off campus lunch seems to be a thing of the past, and perhaps reasonably so. We totally got stoned back in the day, right before wood shop in my case.

 

[phiwum]

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[Meadmaker]

In my high school days, we smoked pot during lunch. Easier to get and consume than beer.

In this, I do not kid. Youngsters here may not realize how much freedom we had in the eighties. Off campus lunch seems to be a thing of the past, and perhaps reasonably so. We totally got stoned back in the day, right before wood shop in my case.

We weren't allowed off campus lunch, but my kid was. I think it's more of a local decision.

Some kids still managed to smoke pot at lunch, or, more frequently, in certain shop classes. Auto Mechanics was known as a stoner class.

Parties and alcohol were definitely an after school activity. Primarily, but not exclusively, a weekend activity.

 

[Meadmaker]

You're missing the possibility that if the sexual assault was committed during a blackout, he may be simultaneously guilty and ignorant of his guilt at the same time.

In other words, if he's susceptible to blacking out, he may not even realize his own guilt.

And, asking him about that in the senate hearing served what purpose?

Hint: If your answer involves anything related to gathering information, you are hopelessly naïve.

 

[beren]

You cited a public school in Dallas.

I cited the Georgetown prep "dress code."

Gonna have to go right ahead and pull rank.

Good effort, tho.

Dress code is synonymous with uniform in common usage. My links show that.

 

[carlitos]

You’re pulling something, but I don’t think it’s rank.



“Dress code” and “uniform” are not mutually exclusive terms.



When everyone is dressed the same, that’s a uniform, by definition.



Because you know, they’re all uniform.

You’re wasting time letting that poster define the argument. Most likely it was part of the sports garb.

 

[Minoosh]

This idea that blackouts are relevant to the allegations of sexual assault is laughable.

Are sexual assaults committed by people who have blacked out?
Are sexual assaults committed by people who are drunk, but have not blacked out?
Are sexual assaults committed by people who are sober?

A blackout will make his denial of sexual assault problematic. It's really, really simple. I'm not sure why this point is eluding you.

If someone has been accused of sexual assault, and it can be confirmed that he blacked out at least once, would you trust his answer when he denies committing sexual assault?

Bingo. It's why senators are trying to establish whether he's ever blacked out.

So, what information did we get by asking whether the person blacked out?

We find out whether he could have forgotten attempting sexual assault.

Furthermore, the members of the committee had already seen evidence that Brett Kavanaugh was a major partier in 1982 and thereabouts, as were most members of class of '83, so, were they really trying to learn anything by asking him about his drinking?]

"Major partier" is not the pivot point. "Established blackout drunk" is.

If you think that committee members were trying to gather facts or understand situations when they asked him about the extent of his drinking, you are hopelessly naïve.

They were trying to establish if he ever blacked out. Naive, maybe. What's he going to do, admit it? That doesn't mean they shouldn't ask. If they turn up evidence that he blacked out numerous times, it goes to his veracity and to his memory of the alleged incident.

 

[acbytesla]

This idea that blackouts are relevant to the allegations of sexual assault is laughable.

Are sexual assaults committed by people who have blacked out?
Are sexual assaults committed by people who are drunk, but have not blacked out?
Are sexual assaults committed by people who are sober?

If someone has been accused of sexual assault, and he has never blacked out, would you trust his answer when he denies committing sexual assault?


If someone has been accused of sexual assault, and it can be confirmed that he blacked out at least once, would you trust his answer when he denies committing sexual assault?


The correct answers to the above questions are yes, yes, yes, no, no. So, what information did we get by asking whether the person blacked out?


Furthermore, the members of the committee had already seen evidence that Brett Kavanaugh was a major partier in 1982 and thereabouts, as were most members of class of '83, so, were they really trying to learn anything by asking him about his drinking?


If you think that committee members were trying to gather facts or understand situations when they asked him about the extent of his drinking, you are hopelessly naïve.

I didn't understand any of that. What's very clear is that Kavanaugh regularly drank to excess. That he was belligerent and aggressive while drinking. That he wasn't the choir boy he pretends to be. Boofing and Devils Triangle are not the terms of innocent choir boys.

 

[fishbob]

This idea that blackouts are relevant to the allegations of sexual assault is laughable.

Are sexual assaults committed by people who have blacked out?
Are sexual assaults committed by people who are drunk, but have not blacked out?
Are sexual assaults committed by people who are sober?

If someone has been accused of sexual assault, and he has never blacked out, would you trust his answer when he denies committing sexual assault?

If someone has been accused of sexual assault, and it can be confirmed that he blacked out at least once, would you trust his answer when he denies committing sexual assault?

The correct answers to the above questions are yes, yes, yes, no, no. So, what information did we get by asking whether the person blacked out?

Furthermore, the members of the committee had already seen evidence that Brett Kavanaugh was a major partier in 1982 and thereabouts, as were most members of class of '83, so, were they really trying to learn anything by asking him about his drinking?

If you think that committee members were trying to gather facts or understand situations when they asked him about the extent of his drinking, you are hopelessly naïve.

It's not about the drinking. It's the lying about the drinking.

 

[Minoosh]

That Ketterer letter - good gravy! He even begins with his mistaken impression that she was a call girl. That story is some of the most shameful slut-shaming I've ever seen.

I knew a high school hooker. She was turned out at 15. She solicited customers during a party at my house. The same middle-aged man had tried to audition me as well. His procurer was a high school boy.

Swetnick is still a problematic witness. Not for reasons cited in that letter, though, except in a very general sense of possible drinking and drug issues. The girl I knew (slightly) was clean-cut, cute as a button and AFAIK she wasn't giving it away; I heard her firmly demanding $20 upfront.

Jesus, the things that went on in my house. I can't understand what my parents were thinking.

 

[acbytesla]

That Ketterer letter - good gravy! He even begins with his mistaken impression that she was a call girl. That story is some of the most shameful slut-shaming I've ever seen.

It could also be a true story, but how would that discredit Swetnick's account? I read that thinking that if she was seeking threesomes in the 1990s then she was probably desensitized to threesomes in the 1980s. Ergo, Ketterer's statement strengthened my confidence that Swetnick would have attended the types of parties, and perhaps been a participant, in some group sexcapades – just as she describes. If we're to take the anecdote about her dad claiming that she had some issues then sure, that could also fit the profile: She was a hard-partier in her youth, abused alcohol (and probably drugs), and she may have engaged in those risky behaviors because she already had some problems and/or come to regret them later in life.

Judge her for her decisions if you like, but Ketterer's letter in no way invalidates her specific claims of Kavanaugh participating in such shenanigans. It also doesn't matter that she let the abuse happen to other girls at these parties or even if she might have willingly participated herself: Kavanaugh is not on trial for having drunken sex with girls during his high school days. He's being evaluated for the veracity of his statements suggesting that he never did anything like that.

A woman has EVERY RIGHT to have sex with ten men at once 29 straight evenings and that would still make sex that she didnt want the 30th night rape.

 

[I Am The Scum]

A uniform is a very narrow dress code. Give it up, Dog.

 

[Meadmaker]

They were trying to establish if he ever blacked out. Naive, maybe. What's he going to do, admit it? That doesn't mean they shouldn't ask. If they turn up evidence that he blacked out numerous times, it goes to his veracity and to his memory of the alleged incident.

You misspelled "perjury trap".

ETA: Also interesting that you mentioned four of the five questions, omitting one. The point of the second pair of questions was that regardless of whether he blacked out, you would treat his answer as untrustworthy. It provides no information related to the assault allegation.

 

[xjx388]

A woman has EVERY RIGHT to have sex with ten men at once 29 straight evenings and that would still make sex that she didnt want the 30th night rape.

Absolutely. “Promiscuity” is irrelevant to a rape charge. By the same token, drinking habits are also irrelevant to a rape charge. In both cases, they are attempts to cast aspersions on someone.


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