New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

So what should the FBI investigation focus on?

For me, the report won't be complete without description of Kavanaugh's history of "boofing".
 
Liz Swisher, a Yale classmate of Kavanaugh, said on Cuomo tonight that K was lying about the extent of his drinking. She said he was a "sloppy drunk". She also said the 'Ralph Club' had nothing to do with a sensitive stomach...it was about vomiting from excess alcohol. Switzer said he committed perjury and that disqualifies him from the SC.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
McConnell might very well be afraid if he doesn't get Kavanaugh through, he is going to get his comeuppance when the GOP loses the Senate. It's Kavanaugh or no nominee floor vote until 2020.
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I don't think that would happen even if Dems got the Senate. Their nominee would probably be Merrick Garland.

Skeptic Ginger said:
And much as the news media is echoing a change in the Senate is unlikely, 538's latest polls suggest otherwise.
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I'm carefully managing my expectations - it would be nice though. Maybe House races can illustrate to the Senate that bipartisanship might be in their best interests.
 
Bob001 said:
Not to digress, but I would fear an door directly from the outside into the bedroom could be used by intruders to break in. How many locks were on the door?
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For me it was always knowing I had an escape route. If he's coming in the bedroom door, you have a good shot at making it out the front door.

I lived with fear if I was alone at night in a freestanding house. I don't think it was paranoia. I made a list in another thread of the events that led to this and the measures I took. It's pretty sad.
 
Minoosh said:
For me it was always knowing I had an escape route. If he's coming in the bedroom door, you have a good shot at making it out the front door.

I lived with fear if I was alone at night in a freestanding house. I don't think it was paranoia. I made a list in another thread of the events that led to this and the measures I took. It's pretty sad.
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I wonder how many men think about escape routes from someone breaking in?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
So what should the FBI investigation focus on?

For me, the report won't be complete without description of Kavanaugh's history of "boofing".
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The Renate explanation deserves to be looked into, and witnesses who could testify to the extent of Kavanaugh's early drinking history. Not because it was so bad; just because it would offset his own minimizing testimony and speak to his veracity. If he did get blackout drunk - and he was extremely evasive and aggressive regarding this - it ups the chances that he doesn't remember some of his alcoholic behavior. I suppose his financial situation has been explained, but that might bear further looking into, including a timeline showing how he got into debt and out of it.

The people who have spoken to the media should probably also speak to the FBI. I'm not sure how many have been mentioned by name. Avenatti, meh, I really don't think he's got a bombshell but I might be wrong. Some senator referred to him repeatedly to disparage his statement so far, so I think he should be heard out, but only if his client really wants to.

Renate was on that list of 65 names praising Kavnaugh, so her revised opinion of him may not matter much, but she obviously didn't think it was a term of endearment.

I feel like the FBI should at least contact the character witnesses - maybe not all of them, but enough to clarify how well they actually knew him

Priests are out of bounds, which on the whole is a good thing. OTOH I'm probably missing something. I don't know if the FBI will do all this, though; probably not.

I don't think they will address the holding back of 100,000 pages of documents; not really their department. But bear in mind that George W. Bush would only have held back 27,000 pages. I believe they could reveal extreme partisanship. But I guess we already knew that.

I believe Feinstein on why allegations were held back but this needs to be discussed, since in theory she could have alerted the FBI sooner.

IMO, he should be asked why he gave an exclusive interview to Fox News.

Kavanaugh is going to hate this. Quite aside from his possible Jekyll and Hyde personality change while drinking, there are enough other indicators to me that he is not suitable to being a SC justice. But that's partly a visceral reaction; I am extremely repelled by the guy, but "seems creepy" is not evidence.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Christine Blasey Ford told the US Senate Judiciary Committee that the memories of Brett Kavanaugh “first came up” when she went into counseling in 2012. In May 2012 Ford and her husband argued over her desire to add “a second front door” to their home. Ford told the committee on Thursday the desire for a second door was because Brett Kavanaugh made her “claustrophobic.”

As Paul Sperry reported on Thursday night. The Palo Alto building permits were issued to Ford and her husband in 2008 — NOT 2012.
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-- Jim Hoft (Gateway Pundit) Sept 27, 2018

"BREAKING: Palo Alto bldg permit records raise questions about Ford's testimony she completed an “extensive remodel” of home in 2012 & that this was seminal event that led her down path to coming out against Kavanaugh b/c she needed to add an escape door. Permit was issued in 2008."

-- Paul Sperry (Hoover Institute) Sept 27, 2018
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Sorry this took so long to reply to this, it took me a while to dig out the records.

In the mid 2000s we did some extensive remodelling of our house.
In Nelson, when the council grants a building consent, you have 12 months to begin the works.

We tried to have each stage completed by Christmas of each year.

BC application: 16 July 2003

BC granted: 12 October 2003

Kitchen remodelling Commenced: mid-June 2004 (first invoice from contractor dated 26 June) - completed December 2004.

Bathroom refit commenced: July 2005 (I recall we delayed this so that this would take place over the early summer - completed early December 2005

Master Bedroom (second storey) refit commenced: June 2006 (included the installation of a ranch-slider that required additional strengthening. Additionally the next stage was a deck which the builder decided that he wanted to build first so that access to the outside of the second storey walls around where the ranch slider was to be installed would be easier. This required the erection of scaffolding. We had to wait over 10 weeks just to get the scaffolding done because we had not planned on needing it).

The work was stopped for a month over the Christmas period. The Master Bedroom refit and the building of the deck was completed mid-March 2007.

Electrical Code of Compliance Cert issued: April 2007
Final building inspection carried out June 2007
Final building Code of Compliance Certificate issued: August 2007

So it took us four years & one month from the granting of a building consent to the completion of the work. I am told that is very quick for the amount of work we had done. It would have been quicker if we have known about the scaffolding.
 
Stacyhs said:
I wonder how many men think about escape routes from someone breaking in?
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Probably none, but I think some are being educated by their wives and daughters about the fear of being overpowered and raped. Then there's also the chance of getting killed. Would it make a difference to any of those men, I don't know. But a few of them must have emotional reactions to the allegations. I don't know if this could or would change anyone's vote, but it certainly might give them pause.
 
Minoosh said:
Probably none, but I think some are being educated by their wives and daughters about the fear of being overpowered and raped. Then there's also the chance of getting killed. Would it make a difference to any of those men, I don't know. But a few of them must have emotional reactions to the allegations. I don't know if this could or would change anyone's vote, but it certainly might give them pause.
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Naaaah! These are manly men without a fear in the world. (Well, other than being caught out being scummy party hacks lying to the Senate on national TV. Then, apparently, it's the ballsiest thing in the world to sniffle and whimper. Manly men, I say!)
 
There's another question I'd like asked, but it almost certainly water under the bridge now: Why his position changed on whether he was a member of the Federalist Society in 2002 (from memory). The administration has given no reason for why that much info must be withheld. Supposedly it cripples the ability to nominate judges? Why, because it is so candid? Probably. They probably show nominees are picked who serve the party's agenda and how to discourage people they don't want. I say, get it out in the open. I would buy an argument for national security, but if they simply don't wish to tip their partisanship hand, that's BS. I have not been able to find any hypothetical examples of what these documents could be hiding. A lot of swearing? Smearing?

Can anyone think of an example?

But obviously, the FBI will stick to fairly narrower parameters that should probably speak to Kavanaugh's truthfulness and to the interviewing of a few more witnesses who know him in HS and college.
 
smartcooky said:
Sorry this took so long to reply to this, it took me a while to dig out the records.

In the mid 2000s we did some extensive remodelling of our house.
In Nelson, when the council grants a building consent, you have 12 months to begin the works.

We tried to have each stage completed by Christmas of each year.

BC application: 16 July 2003

BC granted: 12 October 2003

Kitchen remodelling Commenced: mid-June 2004 (first invoice from contractor dated 26 June) - completed December 2004.

Bathroom refit commenced: July 2005 (I recall we delayed this so that this would take place over the early summer - completed early December 2005

Master Bedroom (second storey) refit commenced: June 2006 (included the installation of a ranch-slider that required additional strengthening. Additionally the next stage was a deck which the builder decided that he wanted to build first so that access to the outside of the second storey walls around where the ranch slider was to be installed would be easier. This required the erection of scaffolding. We had to wait over 10 weeks just to get the scaffolding done because we had not planned on needing it).

The work was stopped for a month over the Christmas period. The Master Bedroom refit and the building of the deck was completed mid-March 2007.

Electrical Code of Compliance Cert issued: April 2007
Final building inspection carried out June 2007
Final building Code of Compliance Certificate issued: August 2007

So it took us four years & one month from the granting of a building consent to the completion of the work. I am told that is very quick for the amount of work we had done. It would have been quicker if we have known about the scaffolding.
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For anyone who wants to know how long a domestic building project can take.....
 
theprestige said:
Seems like the FBI would need a week just to determine which allegations were credible enough to warrant an investigation.

And would it really matter? Say the White House complies, and the FBI spends the next week investigating. At the end of the week, they've uncovered nothing conclusive. What happens then?

Do the Never-Kavanaughs pack up their bags and go home? Does anyone actually say, "all I wanted was for the FBI to investigate. Now they've done that, and I'm satisfied."? Do we all agree that in the absence of any negative result after a whole week of investigation, Kavanaugh should indeed be confirmed to the Supreme Court?
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You're absolutely right - setting a time limit on the investigation is stupid, especially one as short as this. Unless, of course, the purpose is not to actually determine the truth of the accusations, but instead to do the bare minimum in order to give the appearance of having "done something" before voting to confirm anyway.
 
Minoosh said:
Kavanaugh is going to hate this. Quite aside from his possible Jekyll and Hyde personality change while drinking, there are enough other indicators to me that he is not suitable to being a SC justice. But that's partly a visceral reaction; I am extremely repelled by the guy, but "seems creepy" is not evidence.
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I have only had to interview someone for a job they were after once, and nothing like this came up. But if one of the interviewees had cried, shouted about "the left" and "Democrats" then told me over and over again how much he liked drinking beer, I don't think he would have got the job.
 
The American Supreme Court seems like a political bench to me. They are supposed to be an impartial judge of gross miscarriage of justice cases.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Michael Avenatti, the creepy porn lawyer
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Denigrating those in the sex industry is fun!

The Great Zaganza said:
Kavanaugh wasn't upset during the Fox interview, which,. according to sources, made him look weak in the eyes of Trump.
So for the testimony, he turned it up to show off to the one person who mattered.
I don't believe his anger was genuine, though his desperation might have been.
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It certainly looked exaggerated. Staged, even.
 
For me there was one moment in which I think the 'real' Kavanaugh shone through, at the beginning of Graham's rant there's a truly genuine smile on his face, until he clamps down on it anyway, and it's the smile of a kid who's got his big brother to beat up a peer he doesn't like.
 
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