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EventHorizon said:
I stand corrected. What they actually said was they had no knowledge of the party. However, that's still not what he said they said. He said they said the attack never happened. And again, as I said before, that's not the same thing.
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This lie by Kavanaugh has been pointed out several times in this thread since this afternoon. Apparently, some here still don't understand the difference between saying the party "never happened" and saying they have "no knowledge" of it.

And why should they remember a run of the mill party of 6 people from 36 years ago when they were not aware of the attack in the first place? I know I can't remember every party I went to at that age. Doesn't mean I was there. Hell, I would have sworn that I'd never been to Sunriver until I saw video from 2002 my husband was transferring to his computer. I'd completely forgotten about it.
 
Stacyhs said:
This lie by Kavanaugh has been pointed out several times in this thread since this afternoon. Apparently, some here still don't understand the difference between saying the party "never happened" and saying they have "no knowledge" of it.

And why should they remember a run of the mill party of 6 people from 36 years ago when they were not aware of the attack in the first place? I know I can't remember every party I went to at that age. Doesn't mean I was there. Hell, I would have sworn that I'd never been to Sunriver until I saw video from 2002 my husband was transferring to his computer. I'd completely forgotten about it.
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Exactly. I really can't believe the folks questioning him just let it go after he kept saying it over and over again.
 
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It says much about Kav that he made a point of announcing that he didn't watch Dr. Ford's testimony, to which he theoretically was replying.
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He was practicing or getting ready for his response also says that his response was some rehearsed crap, not an actual response to what Ford was accusing him of.
 
His own trade union, the American Bar Association, wants the vote delayed to allow for an FBI investigation. Are there no women GOP senators who might just have enough conscience left to say "hang on a sec, let's give this a little more thought"?
 
Here's something to think about for any Democrats or supporters:

Do you think maybe it may be for the best if Kavanaugh actually is confirmed.

Now, I'm not saying he will be a good Supreme court judge. In fact, I think he will be downright horrible. (And I do believe there is enough evidence to support the notion that he has lied repeatedly and/or engaged in sexual misconduct.) But, I think its safe to say that between Republican ideology and Trump's incompetence, any potential replacement for Kavanaugh will likewise be a bad choice. (Its not like Trump is going to turn around and appoint Garland.) And whomever gets appointed will just have one vote on the supreme court, regardless of who it is. A bad decision on the supreme court is bad regardless of who makes it, and if (for example) abortion or gay marriage is made illegal does it really matter if one of the judges making the ruling is a possible rapist and drunk?

If Kavanaugh withdraws or is voted down, that means the republicans will be able to find someone less scuzzy (heck, maybe even a woman). Eventually Kavanaugh will become a footnote and the republicans can do some damage control.

On the other hand, if Kavanaugh is confirmed then he will become a millstone around the necks of the republicans. (There are polls that show a majority of Americans oppose the confirmation). The nomination gives something to energize the Democratic base, and may swing a few independent voters against the republicans. (And another poster pointed out the cases of republican senators Collins and Murkowski who might be negatively affected if they vote to confirm Kavanaugh.)

https://www.plannedparenthoodaction...anaugh-and-will-remember-her-vote-in-november

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...ort-collins-if-she-votes-to-confirm-kavanaugh

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...ses-13m-for-collins-to-vote-against-kavanaugh
 
MikeG said:
His own trade union, the American Bar Association, wants the vote delayed to allow for an FBI investigation. Are there no women GOP senators who might just have enough conscience left to say "hang on a sec, let's give this a little more thought"?
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"With the Senate Judiciary Committee holding a vote at 9:30 A.M. tomorrow, a Senate insider has told Townhall that Kavanaugh has the votes to make it out of committee and the votes to be confirmed on the floor for a seat on the U.S. Supreme Court.

"Sens. Flake (R-AZ), Collins (R-ME), Murkowski (R-AK), and Manchin (D-WV) are expected to vote in favor of Kavanaugh. All the Republicans are voting yes. Also, in the rumor mill, several Democrats may break ranks and back Kavanaugh. That’s the ball game, folks."

-- Townhall (Sept 27, 2018)
 
Segnosaur said:
Here's something to think about for any Democrats or supporters:

Do you think maybe it may be for the best if Kavanaugh actually is confirmed.

Now, I'm not saying he will be a good Supreme court judge. In fact, I think he will be downright horrible. (And I do believe there is enough evidence to support the notion that he has lied repeatedly and/or engaged in sexual misconduct.) But, I think its safe to say that between Republican ideology and Trump's incompetence, any potential replacement for Kavanaugh will likewise be a bad choice. (Its not like Trump is going to turn around and appoint Garland.) And whomever gets appointed will just have one vote on the supreme court, regardless of who it is. A bad decision on the supreme court is bad regardless of who makes it, and if (for example) abortion or gay marriage is made illegal does it really matter if one of the judges making the ruling is a possible rapist and drunk?

If Kavanaugh withdraws or is voted down, that means the republicans will be able to find someone less scuzzy (heck, maybe even a woman). Eventually Kavanaugh will become a footnote and the republicans can do some damage control.

On the other hand, if Kavanaugh is confirmed then he will become a millstone around the necks of the republicans. (There are polls that show a majority of Americans oppose the confirmation). The nomination gives something to energize the Democratic base, and may swing a few independent voters against the republicans. (And another poster pointed out the cases of republican senators Collins and Murkowski who might be negatively affected if they vote to confirm Kavanaugh.)

https://www.plannedparenthoodaction...anaugh-and-will-remember-her-vote-in-november

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...ort-collins-if-she-votes-to-confirm-kavanaugh

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...ses-13m-for-collins-to-vote-against-kavanaugh
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That makes a lot of sense...if you can't read a calendar. The goal is to put out this garbage fire and, hopefully, prevent another nominee from being confirmed before taking Congress in the upcoming election. If the Republicans do force a quick confirmation of the next candidate, they'll look even worse given how they screwed over President Obama with over a year left in his term.

And beyond the politics, Kavanaugh is ******* evil. Confirming him, even it could be absolutely guaranteed to accrue to the Democrats' favor, would be wildly unethical.
 
Well, that should conclude the Job Interview.
Not of Brett Kavanaugh for Supreme Court Justice, but of Lindsay Graham for Attorney General.
 
Segnosaur said:
Here's something to think about for any Democrats or supporters:

Do you think maybe it may be for the best if Kavanaugh actually is confirmed.
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I'd personally FAR rather have this vermin NOT be on the highest and most important court in our country for life, and to have a trifle more faith in our political process, than to have a few more Democratic congresspeople. I expect the Democrats to sweep the next couple of elections anyway, purely resulting from Trump.
 
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Babbylonian said:
Do you think maybe it may be for the best if Kavanaugh actually is confirmed.
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If Kavanaugh withdraws or is voted down, that means the republicans will be able to find someone less scuzzy (heck, maybe even a woman). Eventually Kavanaugh will become a footnote and the republicans can do some damage control.

On the other hand, if Kavanaugh is confirmed then he will become a millstone around the necks of the republicans.
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That makes a lot of sense...if you can't read a calendar. The goal is to put out this garbage fire and, hopefully, prevent another nominee from being confirmed before taking Congress in the upcoming election. If the Republicans do force a quick confirmation of the next candidate, they'll look even worse given how they screwed over President Obama with over a year left in his term.
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First of all, while the democrats have a good chance at retaking the house, the chance of winning a majority in the senate is fairly small (based on the number of seats up for grabs). Since its only the senate that votes to confirm judges, it means that there is a good chance that we will still have a senate willing to confirm the worst possible picks by Trump.

Secondly, even if the democrats do retake the senate, existing senators will sit until the new year. From the time Kavanaugh was first announced to a potential confirmation was 3 months. Existing senators will sit until January. Even if the Republicans lose the senate they still have ~3 months (the same time it took to evaluate Kavanaugh) to announce and confirm another far-right judge. (Heck, if Trump nominates a woman they can try to spin it as "look, we're not sexist at all!", even if the nomination proceedings run during the election.)
And beyond the politics, Kavanaugh is ******* evil. Confirming him, even it could be absolutely guaranteed to accrue to the Democrats' favor, would be wildly unethical.
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Oh, I agree... Kavanaugh is evil. But then, anyone that Trump selects will probably be evil. Even if Kavanaugh is somehow worse than any potential replacement, there may not be any difference in supreme court outcomes.
 
Mark Judge's new statement stated that he "does not
recall the event described by Dr. Ford". That would not be surprising considering he wrote a book describing he was a drunk at the time.

Judge's former girlfriend told the New Yorker that Judge confessed to her that he and other boys would take turns having sex with drunk girls. This is what Julie Swetnick described in her sworn statement.

Rasor recalled that Judge had told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman.
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...rett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez
 
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Shadowdweller said:
I'd personally FAR rather have this vermin NOT be on the highest and most important court in our country for life...
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I would too... But then there are a lot of things I'd like... I'd like the court to be balanced overall (with fewer judges voting purely left/right), and especially no hard-right religious judges. I'd like the republicans to be far from power for at least a decade, until they can start to realize that tying themselves to the religious right is the wrong way to go.

For better or worse, the appointment of this particular vermin to the court may help obtain those other things.
and to have a trifle more faith in our political process...
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I think any reason to have faith in the American political process died the day Mitch McConnell became Republican senate leader. That was the end of bipartisanship and decorum in congress, and the naked grab for power over principles and loyalty to the country.
I expect the Democrats to sweep the next couple of elections anyway, purely resulting from Trump.
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Again, the problem is while the Democrats should take the house, the chance of them taking the Senate is rather low (at least in the upcoming midterms).
 
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