Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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Stacko said:

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Right now there are conflicting stories..

From: https://globalnews.ca/news/4480768/rod-rosenstein-deputy-attorney-general-resignation/
An unnamed source told Axios that Rosenstein has already verbally resigned to Trump’s Chief of Staff John Kelly. The Washington Post also said he has offered to resign.

One of the ironic things about that article is this quote about the claim Rosenstien was trying to get Trump removed:

Trump commented on The New York Times’ story in an interview that aired on Fox & Friends Monday. “We will make a determination,” he said. “It’s certainly a very sad story.”

Ironic considering Trump always labels the Times "Fake news", but then for this he seems to be accepting the story. Hmm... I wonder why.
 
Stacko said:

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The vacancies act thing seems uncertain to me, but I'm not an expert.

I'm guessing Rosenstein is getting the full third-degree. If he doesn't resign, they'll keep it up all day. Keep him in a room, away for friends or allies, no phone or connectivity. Yell and him and threaten him all day long. Trump, Conway, Kelly, Pence, they can take turns. (Kelly and Pence as the good cops, Trump and Conway as the bad cops).

Good chance we'll end up like we did with Shulkin. The White House will say he resigned, Rosenstein will say he was fired (or will even claim to still be in office). They'll find something he did or said in the past few weeks to be proof that he resigned.

And we move a bit closer to a full on constitutional crisis.:(
 
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crescent said:
I'm guessing Rosenstein is getting the full third-degree. If he doesn't resign, they'll keep it up all day. Keep him in a room, away for friends or allies, no phone or connectivity. Yell and him and threaten him all day long. Trump, Conway, Kelly, Pence, they can take turns. (Kelly and Pence as the good cops, Trump and Conway as the bad cops).
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Of course, that assumes that:
- Kelly would actually play along (since he probably dislikes Trump himself.)
- That Trump could actually function as a "bad cop". Yes, Trump is a bully. But he's also incompetent, inarticulate and a coward, and instills a lot of dislike in people. If he were he try to play the bad cop with Rosenstein, it would probably have the negative effect (e.g. make Rosenstein less likely to cooperate and more likely to dare them "Fire me because I'm not leaving otherwise".)
 
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Segnosaur said:
I agree that Mueller likely knows a lot more than we do.

But even for us outside observers who have only a partial picture, we have plenty of evidence of collusion/conspiracy/etc... the Trump tower meeting (complete with changing stories... "didn't happen", "it did but nothing useful") and the "I like it" email from one of Trump's spawn show intent and a willingness to deceive from the Trump side, the analysis from intelligence agencies show the involvement of the Russians, etc. Yes, some of the evidence is circumstantial (but circumstantial evidence is still evidence). It may not have risen to the level of "beyond a reasonable doubt" that is needed for a conviction, but again there was plenty of evidence that OJ did it (even if it never resulted in a conviction either.)
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The email to Don Jr said it was part of the Russian government's efforts to elect Trump. That Jr replied he 'liked it' and he and other high level members of the Trump campaign then met with the Russians. Then they denied the meeting, then said the meeting happened, but lied about what the meeting was about and according to Cohen, Bannon, Trump's own speech and my bet is Manafort will confirm that Trump lied and continued to lie that he had no knowledge of the meeting.

If nothing happened with the Russians, why does Trump and everyone associated with Trump try and hide it and then lie about it? And they don't merely just lie, they lie feloniously?

And finally, why does the most self serving human I've ever seen who attacks everyone act so obsequiously to Putin when it would benefit him far more to quit acting like Putin's bitch?
 
acbytesla said:
The email to Don Jr said it was part of the Russian government's efforts to elect Trump. That Jr replied he 'liked it' and he and other high level members of the Trump campaign then met with the Russians. Then they denied the meeting, then said the meeting happened, but lied about what the meeting was about and according to Cohen, Bannon, Trump's own speech and my bet is Manafort will confirm that Trump lied and continued to lie that he had no knowledge of the meeting.
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Correction: he "loved it".

If nothing happened with the Russians, why does Trump and everyone associated with Trump try and hide it and then lie about it? And they don't merely just lie, they lie feloniously?
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Typically, you lie when you want to hide the truth. So, yeah.
 
acbytesla said:
I stand corrected

Unless your name is Trump. Then you lie so you won't get rusty.
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That's funny, but there's method to his madness. There's no question that he often lies to avoid the truth being known. But at other times it seems to stem from a tactic of destroying the concept of truth altogether. Whether he also reflexively lies is another question.
 
Segnosaur said:
Ironic considering Trump always labels the Times "Fake news", but then for this he seems to be accepting the story. Hmm... I wonder why.
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We definitely should not trust reporting in the failing NYT, especially if it relies on anonymous sources. #FakeNews. However, if the NYT is publishing a piece in any way favorable to Trump, then you know it must be true. This is basic math.
 
Belz... said:
That's funny, but there's method to his madness. There's no question that he often lies to avoid the truth being known. But at other times it seems to stem from a tactic of destroying the concept of truth altogether. Whether he also reflexively lies is another question.
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Is there now? I believe he makes both calculated lies and he reflexively lies. One of the things Trump does all the time is simply saying whatever he believes is self serving at the moment but with a total disregard for the truth. I think he stumbles accidently on the truth sometimes, but I don't think he cares much if it is true or not. I worked with a fellow salesperson who did that regularly. It pissed me off to no end.
 
Saw this today. If true interesting.

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein has "verbally resigned" his position in the Department of Justice, effective Monday, according to reports from Axios and others.

Chief of Staff John Kelly has reportedly accepted Rosenstein's resignation.


Rosenstein, of course, was responsible for overseeing Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into whether the Trump campaign actively colluded with Russian officials to alter the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. That job will now likely fall to Solicitor General Noel Francisco.
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River said:
Saw this today. If true interesting.
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You REALLY refuse to actually read the thread, don't you?

I mean, you keep asking questions that have already been asked and answered.

Now you are posting an item we have been discussing for 1 hour and 55 minutes as if it were new.
 
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