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Split Thread Conservative Voices (Split from Muller Investigation)

River said:
The point is, the march is supposed to represent something much different than sharia.
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In what specific way do you think the march represented sharia?

Evidently you are confusing the march with the personal life of one single marcher. Again I ask you to please start using some common sense.
 
River said:
Elected officials can be voted out. I've yet to see a decent candidate propped up by the democrats.
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I don't know what the hell this means. In fact I think it is nonsensical. Elected officials actually are directly involved in making policy, organizers are not. Organizers have little effect beyond maybe a few events. I know, because I use to organize events for political candidates in the State of Washington. Sarsour is just one of thousands of organizers.

And out of curiosity, what do you think makes a decent candidate?
 
kookbreaker said:
David Duke is part of an organization that has done much, much more than just discriminate based on race.

I'm no fan of Farrakhan by any stretch, but comparing him to the lynch-happy terrorists of the KKK is wrong.
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Have you ever listened to a Farrakhan speech or Duke speech? How is one not as bad as the other? Do I need to post examples of Farrakhan saying extremely racist things? (we already know dukes does)
 
Stacyhs said:
I take it you did not read the Snopes link I provided?

If you consider Sarsour personally living what sharia tells her as promoting sharia law in the US, then you might as well claim that Catholics living by their religious beliefs is evidence of their promoting Biblical law as US law. Or Jews. Or Quakers. Or Amish. Or any other person who personally lives by their religious teachings.
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Good point, It's as absurd as the old fear mongering about Catholics (of which I am one) - they would say the Pope would end up running the U.S.
 
River said:
Have you ever listened to a Farrakhan speech or Duke speech? How is one not as bad as the other? Do I need to post examples of Farrakhan saying extremely racist things? (we already know dukes does)
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Do you read books? Have any understanding of US history? There's simply no moral equivalency between the US' oldest and most violent terrorist group, and...well, any other domestic group, really.

As far as Clinton vs. Dolt 45...if you can't tell the difference between a career servant who has worked hard to provide health care access to as many as possible, and a mobbed-up conman who managed to go bankrupt running casinos, then I have to question your judgement. In fact, I have no doubt that the US would be vastly better off now, both in terms of international relations, and in terms of simply not having nazi fetishists running around and murdering people. There's some limited value in having bigots run around unmasked, or having Slings & Arrows post thinly veiled rape jokes here, but it's probably best if such people sit quiet for a while and possibly mature a bit.
 
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River said:
Have you ever listened to a Farrakhan speech or Duke speech? How is one not as bad as the other? Do I need to post examples of Farrakhan saying extremely racist things? (we already know dukes does)
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River said:
Have you ever listened to a Farrakhan speech or Duke speech? How is one not as bad as the other? Do I need to post examples of Farrakhan saying extremely racist things? (we already know dukes does)
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Farrakhan can say all the racist crap he wants. Its words. David Duke represents the long-running murderous legacy KKK.

If you cannot tell the difference there simply is no hope for you.
 
carlitos said:
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Which one of these men is guilty of being violent against others not in their race? (hint, neither) I'm not condemning any groups actions, but pointing out these individuals and their speeches sound alike to me. Both are disgusting.
 
River said:
Have you ever listened to a Farrakhan speech or Duke speech? How is one not as bad as the other? Do I need to post examples of Farrakhan saying extremely racist things? (we already know dukes does)
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The main difference between the two men is that David Duke is persona non grata among the high profile elite, and justifiably so.

Whereas, Louis Farrakhan gets special invitations -- Aretha Franklin funeral -- and gets to sit front row alongside his pals President Bill Clinton, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson.
 
Jesus Christ, one day I ever so dearly hope political discourse stops seeing hypocrisy as the only sin it recognizes.

Or at least stop seeing "Well both sides are equally awful" (true or not) as an excuse for why nobody has to (or indeed should even) try and improve.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
The main difference between the two men is that David Duke is persona non grata among the high profile elite, and justifiably so.

Whereas, Louis Farrakhan gets special invitations -- Aretha Franklin funeral -- and gets to sit front row alongside his pals President Bill Clinton, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson.
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That is not the main difference between the two. I dont like either but your dichotomy is false.
 
In this thread: American conservatives defending David Duke and the KKK.

And you wonder why the rest of the civilized world is laughing at you. You Trumpists really have jumped the shark. :rolleyes:
 
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Lambchops said:
In this thread: American conservatives defending David Duke and the KKK.

And you wonder why the rest of the civilized world is laughing at you. You Trumpists really have jumped the shark. :rolleyes:
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I am an American conservative. And I am not defending the member of a terrorist organization as equivalent to a reprehensible blowhard who is NOT a terrorist. Otherwise I would be comparing bin Laden to Trump.
 
Trump is not a conservative. And neither is anyone who supports him.
Party loyalty is not a conservative value if the party isn't loyal to its values and ideals.

Trump is the mirror in front of the GOP, showing it what it has become.
 
LSSBB said:
I am an American conservative. And I am not defending the member of a terrorist organization as equivalent to a reprehensible blowhard who is NOT a terrorist. Otherwise I would be comparing bin Laden to Trump.
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I should have done the scare qoutes "conservatives" there, and also replaced it with "Trumpists".

Sorry about that.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Sadly Keith Ellison has taken that literal position. He had a tee shirt on with the message "... no borders".

I think he picked up a lot of Bernie Democrats but when I saw that I considered him fringe.
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Okay, so no real mainstream calls for open borders from Democrats. In a country of our size where about a third of voters are Democrats it's not surprising there are a few outliers.
 
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