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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
What was the standard for Al Franken? The accusations against him lost him his job. What's being requested here is a proper investigation - of the kind that took 3 days the last time one happened. So I assume that there's a contemporary editorial expressing the same opinion about the Republican reaction to the accusation against Franken, right?
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It wasn't the accusation against Fraken that costs him his job. It was his confession and actual photographic evidence that cost him his job.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
The new liberal standard, guilty until proven innocent.
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Stacko said:
There'll be a bottom at some point, right?
A press adviser helping lead the Senate Judiciary Committee’s response to a sexual assault allegation against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh has stepped down amid evidence he was fired from a previous political job in part because of a sexual harassment allegation against him.

Garrett Ventry, 29, who served as a communications aide to the committee chaired by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, had been helping coordinate the majority party's messaging in the wake of Christine Blasey Ford’s claim that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her 36 years ago at a high school party. In a response to NBC News, Ventry denied any past "allegations of misconduct."

After NBC News raised questions about Ventry's employment history and the sexual assault allegation against him, Judiciary Committee Spokesman Taylor Foy replied in a statement: "While (Ventry) strongly denies allegations of wrongdoing, he decided to resign to avoid causing any distraction from the work of the committee."
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Regnad Kcin said:
What color is the sky in the alternate universe where this “new liberal standard” exists?
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Look out your window to discover the color of the sky in the universe where this is true.

Craig4 said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...with-abortion-pill/ar-AAAsSNi?ocid=spartanntp

Wow, yet another Trump associate abusing women. Rather an impressive pattern. So yeah, I think Kavanaugh raped the **** out of that poor (at the time) girl. The sick **** probably put it on his resume to Trump as a selling point. When you surround yourself with people who beat and/or sexually assault women, it's not hard to believe it when yet another person in your orbit is accused of sexually assaulting women.
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Ford has not accused Kavanaugh of rape. Nor has Kavanaugh been found guilty of sexual assault.
 
Leftus said:
It wasn't the accusation against Fraken that costs him his job. It was his confession and actual photographic evidence that cost him his job.
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He confessed to the pretend grope that was photographed (worth noting he didn't actually touch her), but not to the sexual assault that was alleged.

Was what he did okay? No. I'm perfectly happy with him having lost his job over it. One of the joys of not being partisan is that you don't have to be hypocritical over issues like this.

But, sure, if that's the standard, then Kavanaugh was a self-confessed binge drinker who was a member of a society who have chanted "no means yes. Yes means anal". If we can find one compromising photo of him from that time then that should nix his nomination and lose him his current job. That's fair, right?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
He confessed to the pretend grope that was photographed (worth noting he didn't actually touch her), but not to the sexual assault that was alleged.

Was what he did okay? No. I'm perfectly happy with him having lost his job over it. One of the joys of not being partisan is that you don't have to be hypocritical over issues like this.

But, sure, if that's the standard, then Kavanaugh was a self-confessed binge drinker who was a member of a society who have chanted "no means yes. Yes means anal". If we can find one compromising photo of him from that time then that should nix his nomination and lose him his current job. That's fair, right?
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This is your periodic reminder that it wasn't the right that wanted Franken gone over that, it was the left. It wasn't the accusation, it wasn't the confession, and it wasn't the photo. It was a group of Democratic senators who railroaded him out of office.
 
theprestige said:
This is your periodic reminder that it wasn't the right that wanted Franken gone over that, it was the left. It wasn't the accusation, it wasn't the confession, and it wasn't the photo. It was a group of Democratic senators who railroaded him out of office.
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Nobody did anything to him.
 
theprestige said:
This is your periodic reminder that it wasn't the right that wanted Franken gone over that, it was the left. It wasn't the accusation, it wasn't the confession, and it wasn't the photo. It was a group of Democratic senators who railroaded him out of office.
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Because of the accusation, confession, and the photo. What, you think they just picked Franken's name out of a hat or something?
 
theprestige said:
This is your periodic reminder that it wasn't the right that wanted Franken gone over that, it was the left. It wasn't the accusation, it wasn't the confession, and it wasn't the photo. It was a group of Democratic senators who railroaded him out of office.
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IIRC, Democrats wanted him to undergo an ethics review, and he resigned. You're right, though, that Republicans mostly kept quiet at the time. I'd forgotten that they were supporting Roy Moore while it was going on.

Okay, it seems the article is correct - the Democrats think that sexual assault should have negative consequences for the assailant, whereas the Republicans don't and will, in fact, do everything in their power to protect them. I retract my defence of the Repubican party.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
IIRC, Democrats wanted him to undergo an ethics review, and he resigned. You're right, though, that Republicans mostly kept quiet at the time. I'd forgotten that they were supporting Roy Moore while it was going on.

Okay, it seems the article is correct - the Democrats think that sexual assault should have negative consequences for the assailant, whereas the Republicans don't and will, in fact, do everything in their power to protect them. I retract my defence of the Repubican party.
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That is false, but more importantly it is getting more clear every day that the latest charge against BKis totally uncorroborated.
 
2:30 eastern time is the latest and hopefully last deadline for the accuser to agree to testify.
 
All of this talk about sexual harassment is kind of heavy, We need to lighten up. Maybe we should just get together and watch a movie.


How about The Crucible?
 
ServiceSoon said:
Look out your window to discover the color of the sky in the universe where this is true.

Ford has not accused Kavanaugh of rape. Nor has Kavanaugh been found guilty of sexual assault.
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If he didn't rape her I'm sure it was because he was either too drunk to function or someone with a conscience intervened. I'm sure it had nothing to do with anything in Kavanaugh's character and personal sense of morality that saved the girl.
 
Meadmaker said:
All of this talk about sexual harassment is kind of heavy, We need to lighten up. Maybe we should just get together and watch a movie.

How about The Crucible?
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And the relevance is what? You think Ford is deliberately lying, and Kavanaugh is in danger of being pressed under stones? Or all claims of sexual assault and harassment are as false as claims of witchcraft? Or what?

And John Proctor really did have an affair with servant girl Abigail.
 
Bob001 said:
And the relevance is what? You think Ford is deliberately lying, and Kavanaugh is in danger of being pressed under stones? Or all claims of sexual assault and harassment are as false as claims of witchcraft? Or what?

And John Proctor really did have an affair with servant girl Abigail.
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Or the way that you deflect from an accusation against yourself is by making an accusation against someone else?


Or the way you create an atmosphere of fear and paranoia about the dangers of communism/sexual harassment/witchcraft is to demand harsh punishment and ostracism or blacklisting for anyone accused, and that the accusation need not be verified with evidence? So that before you know it all sorts of people are losing their jobs and being publicly shamed for behavior that either did not actually happen, or was wildly exaggerated?


And the real John Proctor did not have an affair with the real Abigail. In the literary adaptation of history by Arthur Miller, the characters of John Proctor and Abigail did have a consensual sexual relationship.



(ETA: For youngsters in the audience, if there are any. Arthur Miller's play "The Crucible" was a fictionalized account of the Salem witch trials, with characters based on real historical figures, but with significant changes. For example, the aforementioned Abigail, chief accuser, was a 12 year old girl, but in the play was 17. The play was written in the 1950s and was meant as an allegory for McCarthy era accusations of communism. The play was made into a movie a couple of decades ago. Good movie. I liked it.)
 
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Meadmaker said:
Or the way that you deflect from an accusation against yourself is by making an accusation against someone else?
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You mean the way Kavanaugh acolytes are trashing Dr. Ford and threatening her family's lives? There was no prior accusation against Dr. Ford.

Meadmaker said:
Or the way you create an atmosphere of fear and paranoia about the dangers of communism/sexual harassment/witchcraft is to demand harsh punishment and ostracism or blacklisting for anyone accused, and that the accusation need not be verified with evidence?
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Testimony is evidence. And nobody is suggesting -- yet -- that Kavanaugh should be removed from his lifetime appointment as a federal appeals court judge, or punished in any other way. He's a job applicant; the only question is whether he's the best person for a new job.

Meadmaker said:
And the real John Proctor did not have an affair with the real Abigail. In the literary adaptation of history by Arthur Miller, the characters of John Proctor and Abigail did have a consensual sexual relationship.
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Yes, when the character was a married man in his 50s and she was 17. Today that would be statutory rape in many states.
 
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Ford remembers everything in great detail. Well, except for the things that are necessary to do an investigation to find the truth and/or prove she is lying. Those she doesn't remember at all. Very murky -- early 80s at unknown location. This is no accident. Feinstein won't even supply the unredacted letter to Grassley, the ONLY EVIDENCE they have, other that sworn statements from everyone mentioned, under felony peril, that nothing like she describes ever happened. It's a joke, and nothing more than a delaying tactic. Ford isn't going to testify, although she certainly might agree to do so and then not show up or beg for another delay. She isn't acting at all like someone who wants to get the truth out, she's acting like someone who knows her story won't stand up under the slightest bit of scrutiny. Actually, she's negotiating terms like SHE is the bad guy, and I'll bet she is.
 
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