Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

The Big Dog: Please answer these questions.

halleyscomet said:
You claim that atheism is responsible for the crimes committed in China. What is it about atheism that, in your opinion, might be giving rise to such behavior?

Why do you believe Chinese atheists are committing such atrocities when atheists in, for example, Norway are not?
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David Mo said:
Muslims are persecuted in China because their separatist movement, terrorism included.
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Cosmic Yak said:
Vietnam not only witnessed these atrocities, it actually put an end to them. Odd, from your POV, as you would have thought that Vietnamese Marxist atheists would have been applauding them. Is it possible your characterisation of atheists is wrong?



You appear to have a misapprehension of the meaning of the term 'whataboutism'. Whataboutism seeks to excuse wrongdoing by one party by pointing to similar wrongdoing by another, opposite party.
As this is in no way what my post was about, I suggest a little research into this term.
Before I go any further, I would like to unequivocally condemn all human rights abuses, including those committed by atheists.
Your argument is that atheists in power oppress religions. By showing you that this is not the case in many instances, the obvious thing to do would be to concede the point, rather than introduce irrelevancies and then ignore it as if the job was done. Just saying.

Can I mention at this stage that I unequivocally condemn all human rights abuses, including those by atheists? Just so we're clear.



Firstly, in case there is any confusion, I want to state for the record that I condemn absolutely all human rights abuses, even those by atheists. In case I wasn't clear.

Secondly, I would like to draw your attention to the highlighted parts of my post. I fail to see how my use of the words 'abuses', 'oppression' and 'persecution' could be construed as support.

Now, as for the Muslims in detention, I don't know if you're aware of this, but this is not just a religious issue. The Muslims in question are a separate ethnic group- the Uighurs, a Turkic group. They are not at all happy about being a part of China, and were only actually finally incorporated into China in the late C19th. The area where they live is called Xinjiang, which means 'new territory', just to rub it in, it seems. The Chinses are cracking down on the Uighurs because of their nationalistic aspirations: Islam is just a part of their identity. There are large numbers of ethnic Han Chinese who are also Muslim- the Hui- and they are not receiving anything like the persecution that the Uighurs are getting. I have visited Xinjiang and witnessed first-hand the oppression there, and also the Hui areas: the contrast was striking.
I care deeply about the situation there, and I try to keep awareness raised of this situation: the Uighurs don't receive nearly as much attention as, say, the Palestinians.
I care because I am opposed to all human rights abuses: not sure if I've mentioned that yet.















PS: I unequivocally condemn and oppose all human rights abuses, even those committed by atheists. Did I forget to mention that?
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Minoosh said:
The problem with Uighur population is not confined to religious beliefs. China is seeking to dilute any loyalties people may have toward their minority ethnic group, and it has some things in common with the campaign to water down the Tibetan Buddhist culture by importing Han Chinese. It is China's paranoia about separatism that makes the Dalai Lama such a dangerous figure to China.

The Uighur (or Uyghur; spellings differ) are considered a problem not just because of a religion but because they think of their province on China's western edge as "East Turkestan," and they speak Turkic. Any minority or separatist movement in China is going to be oppressed; these are just the 2 of the bigger ones. China wants to do away with any allegiances that depart from the official line. They pick on religion as an obvious cultural difference, but any identity or loyalty that threatens the CCP is going to be repressed. I'm not defending China here; they are a repressive regime with an horrible human rights record, but this is a broader issue than persecution of religious people. It amounts to a what might be considered cultural genocide.

This is a long thread; probably posters have already raised these points. Apologies for posting when I may not be up to speed.
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This point has been made twice already but, as TBD is studiously ignoring it, I see no harm in raising it again.

Did I mention that I unequivocally condemn all human rights abuses, even those by atheists? TDB seems so sure that no-one has ever said this that I'm beginning to doubt it myself.
Or not.

Bump for The Big Dog. Hi TBD!! Yoohoo! Can you hear us? :wave1
 
Cosmic Yak said:
This point has been made twice already but, as TBD is studiously ignoring it, I see no harm in raising it again.

Did I mention that I unequivocally condemn all human rights abuses, even those by atheists? TDB seems so sure that no-one has ever said this that I'm beginning to doubt it myself.
Or not.

Bump for The Big Dog. Hi TBD!! Yoohoo! Can you hear us? :wave1
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Ugh, gish gallops galores!

Sure you don't know what whataboutim means. And:

"Now, as for the Muslims in detention, I don't know if you're aware of this, but this is not just a religious issue."

I did, and I agree, IN FACT, I cited an expert saying it was because of militant atheism and nationalism.

HELLLOOOO did you see that HELLLOOOOOOO!!!!

Lets take an additional look:

"The problem with Uighur population is not confined to religious beliefs."

"Not confined to."

Jeeoers that sounds just like what TBD explained: "A U.S.-based expert on religion in China on Wednesday attributed the crackdown to Xi’s “atheist ideology” as well as surging nationalism."

GOLLY, it sounds like you are agreeing with me, it is due, at least in part to atheism.

And if y'all can't figure out the difference between the leader of Sweden or Norway or and the head of the ******* Chinese Communist party and the relative difference in power, I ain't gonna be able to help you. (although if the atheists in Sweden had the same power, well, take a look at Albania)

Say, folks read my posts before telling me that I have not explained it in detail.
 
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How come you haven't prayed to your God to fix it all? Surely that would have to work.
The Big Dog said:
Ugh, gish gallops galores!

Sure you don't know what whataboutim means. And:

"Now, as for the Muslims in detention, I don't know if you're aware of this, but this is not just a religious issue."

I did, and I agree, IN FACT, I cited an expert saying it was because of militant atheism and nationalism.

HELLLOOOO did you see that HELLLOOOOOOO!!!!

Lets take an additional look:

"The problem with Uighur population is not confined to religious beliefs."

"Not confined to."

Jeeoers that sounds just like what TBD explained: "A U.S.-based expert on religion in China on Wednesday attributed the crackdown to Xi’s “atheist ideology” as well as surging nationalism."

GOLLY, it sounds like you are agreeing with me, it is due, at least in part to atheism.

And if y'all can't figure out the difference between the leader of Sweden and the head of the ******* Chinese Communist party and the relative difference in power, I ain't gonna be able to help you. (although if the atheists in Sweden had the same power, well, take a look at Albania)

Say, folks read my posts before telling me that I have not explained it in detail.
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The Big Dog said:
Ugh, gish gallops galores!

Sure you don't know what whataboutim means.
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Well then, focus on something that will actually advance your agenda. Answer these two questions.

halleyscomet said:
You claim that atheism is responsible for the crimes committed in China. What is it about atheism that, in your opinion, might be giving rise to such behavior?

Why do you believe Chinese atheists are committing such atrocities when atheists in, for example, Norway are not?
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I'm sincerely interested in your response to these questions. These two questions get to the heart of several core disagreements between you and many other posters in this thread.
 
The Big Dog said:
And if y'all can't figure out the difference between the leader of Sweden and the head of the ******* Chinese Communist party and the relative difference in power, I ain't gonna be able to help you. (although if the atheists in Sweden had the same power, well, take a look at Albania)
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Oh, my god! What you think the atheists are? The Apocalypse Beast?

Oh yes, if US people were Chinese they would eat with chopsticks, and if elephants were singers there would be an Elephant Opera House. And if the Roman Curia lived in Middle Ages they would burn alive atheists and heretics. And if President Xi Jinping was Swedish he would be a democrat. Etc, etc.

But in the real world atheist Europeans are a lot and they support democracy. They do not want to live in a like-Albanian dictatorship. They are not affiliated with any Enver Hoxa-Marxist-Leninist-Party. Therefore we can think that atheism is not the cause of totalitarianism, even if totalitarian regimes can be supported by some atheists.

Your malicious and unfounded supposition is only due to hate. We can see you coming a mile away, dear Big Brother Dog.
 
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abaddon said:
How come you haven't prayed to your God to fix it all? Surely that would have to work.

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I already asked him about the same question and his reply was some nonsense about how oppressed people are actually favored by his god.

And when I pointed out that if what 'The Big Dog' says about oppressed people is actually true, then those doing the oppressing must also be favored by his god since they are making his god happy.

And, of course, 'The Big Dog' never did have a response about how oppressors must also be favored by his god.

Therefore, the logic practiced by 'The Big Dog' is about as good as the logic that is practiced by his god.
 
Daily headline, US and EU: Christians spit on the gospel, turn back refugees.

Christians not only commit genocide (How the West Was Won) and wage major war on each other (WWI, wtf?), but they also murder retail, door-to-door and over decades, as in the conquest of Latin America, particularly of the Inca. One bayonet stab at a time, no remorse, just the pleasure of seeing innocent blood run, jus' 'cuz. Just the other day, Christians were caught putting innocent children in cages, go figure.

And they will always find a way to excuse killing you for your stuff, give them time. Unless you're in the tribe, er, family. See the 5th-21st c, and counting.

Not the kind of people you want for neighbors. Dirty rotten liars and champion two-faced bastards, for starters. Just like all the other folks swinging Big Truth like a billy club.

@ OP: I forget, though: just what doctrine was it that atheists, speaking solely as atheists, were intending to impose by force?... You don't say? Well, no content and an absence of claims means they're not Big Truthers, seemingly. As evidence strongly indicates, it takes Truth to want to kill. It's called motive.
 
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Hlafordlaes said:
@ OP: I forget, though: just what doctrine was it that atheists, speaking solely as atheists, were intending to impose by force? You don't say? Well, no content and an absence of claims means they're not Big Truthers, seemingly. As evidence strongly indicates, it takes Truth to want to kill. It's called political or religious motive.
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Hey, nice of our correspondent to let us know where the completely off topic rant ended!

What doctrine? Firm Militant Atheism of course, something which I have said repeatedly, just like Lenin/Stalin and gosateizm.
 
The Big Dog said:
From the linked article

"The campaign corresponds with a drive to “Sinicize” religion by demanding loyalty to the officially atheist Communist Party and eliminating any challenge to its power over people’s lives."
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The Post doesn't claim a causal connection and as far as I can tell, you don't either.
 
The Big Dog said:
Hey, nice of our correspondent to let us know where the completely off topic rant ended!

What doctrine? Firm Militant Atheism of course, something which I have said repeatedly, just like Lenin/Stalin and gosateizm.
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Militant Atheism (?), Lenin and Stalin are also off topic. And you are off this debate and this world, Big Brother Dog. As we have repeatedly explained you.
 
Minoosh said:
The Post doesn't claim a causal connection and as far as I can tell, you don't either.
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you kidding????

"The campaign corresponds with a drive to “Sinicize” religion by demanding loyalty to the officially atheist Communist Party and eliminating any challenge to its power over people’s lives."

What an odd claim when the very quoted sentence says there is....
 
The Big Dog said:
... the officially atheist Communist Party ...
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... who are neither atheist nor communist, but since they claim that they are, officially, there's no reason to investigate this any further, is there?
 
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