New SCOTUS Judge

[Skeptic Ginger]

It's being reported that Ivanka is telling Trump to ditch Kavanaugh, and that the White House is troubled by rumours of two high school friends of Ford's who are willing to verify that they were told of the incident contemporaneously

Interesting in that Trump has motive not to piss the Democrats off, he'll have to put up with them for 2 more years (in his mind) while people like McConnell fear losing the Senate and his influence on the SCOTUS. So McConnell would be trying to get Kavanaugh confirmed at all costs. It's only a couple Senators that need to just say no.

 

[MikeG]

...... People do not correctly remember events in there lives but you seem to think that women's memories of sexual assault are somehow different?.......

Do you think that my daughter mis-remembers being raped?

 

[Arcade22]

A man was recently arrested in Colonie, NY when he showed up at a hotel expecting to have sex with a 13 year old girl and her step-father. He claimed that he didn't believe she was really that young and his graphic online conversations about sex with a minor were just "locker room talk".
Perfectly normal.

He should consider a future career in politics.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Did it cross your mind that the now three people categorically denying it are simply telling the truth?

Is there any objection to questioning them under oath?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

As anyone pointed out that after 30+ years there is essentially no way either of them remember the event correctly?

Some things are remembered more vividly/accurately than others. The false memories defense doesn't cut it.

 

[Arcade22]

People misremember almost everything. That's just reality.

Citation needed.

 

[ahhell]

It would also be consistent with them not forming a memory of an event that they didn't consider significant, as would be the case if they just saw this behavior as "horseplay" or "just clowning around." After all, they weren't being (allegedly) suffocated.

A perspective on male views of what women consider assault:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ugh-christine-blasey-ford-assault-me-too.html

That's kind of a ******** article.

A White House lawyer was quoted saying, “If somebody can be brought down by accusations like this, then you, me, every man certainly should be worried.”

That's not defending sexual assault as implied in the Slate piece. "...accusations like this.." is almost certainly a comment on the fact that its an accusation on behavior from 30 years ago with essentially no evidence and no way to prove or disprove the accusation.

Fortunately, it is not consistent with what the three of them have said, each of them have said it did not happen

Its totally consistent with them not remember the event. I generally deny things that I don't remember doing, especially when I think its out of my character.

 

[Babbylonian]

See when you put "no way" in that sentence, it becomes false. People do not correctly remember events in there lives but you seem to think that women's memories of sexual assault are somehow different? Or is also a fiction that people get memories wrong all the time and even remember things that never happened?

Because traumatic events form memories differently than general stuff general stuff that happens every day. What makes you think someone would forget a sexual assault?

 

[The Big Dog]

The drunks, you mean?

You have evidence that the latest witness she identified was a drunk?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I actual believe Judge and O'Kavanaugh when they say they have no memory of it. Completely consistent with their history and her story.

Not if they bragged about it afterward. That would rule out a blackout.

 

[MikeG]

You have evidence that the latest witness she identified was a drunk?

You have evidence that the first two aren't?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

As McConnell correctly said: there is too much of a paper trail on Kavanaugh.
He has written way too much material that shows that he doesn't respect core tenets of the Constitution (except in a weird Originalist/Christian Nation interpretation).

Whilst the accusations of sexual assault need to be taken seriously, unless we have evidence that Kavanaugh continued this behavior, this issue is far less serious than the detrimental impact a lifetime appointment of this deeply flawed character would have on the SCOTUS.

Speaking of paper trails, Kavanaugh has a doozy:

David Brock I knew Brett Kavanaugh during his years as a Republican operative. Don't let him sit on the Supreme Court. - We were part of a close circle of cynical hard-right operatives

In a rough division of labor, Kavanaugh played the role of lawyer — one of the sharp young minds recruited by the Federalist Society to infiltrate the federal judiciary with true believers. Through that network, Kavanaugh was mentored by D.C. Appeals Court Judge Laurence Silberman, known among his colleagues for planting leaks in the press for partisan advantage.

When, as I came to know, Kavanaugh took on the role of designated leaker to the press of sensitive information from Starr's operation, we all laughed that Larry had taught him well. (Of course, that sort of political opportunism by a prosecutor is at best unethical, if not illegal.)

Add liar and sleaze ball to attempted rapist.

 

[ahhell]

Some things are remembered more vividly/accurately than others. The false memories defense doesn't cut it.

As I understand it, the vividness of memories has little bearing on their accuracy.

Citation needed.

https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/more-evidence-our-memory-stinks/
Edit to add: Its pretty amazing to me that this needs a citation on a forum that called, "internationalskeptics".

It may be distressing to fully realize this, but it is also liberating – human memory is incredibly flawed. Not only can our memories change over time, we can generate entirely false memories. You cannot trust what you remember.

To be clear, I do not doubt that she was assaulted. I am merely saying that here memory of the event is not likely to be accurate and any particular detail could be wrong, including the perpetrator.

Because traumatic events form memories differently than general stuff general stuff that happens every day.

Also, citation needed.

What makes you think someone would forget a sexual assault?

Where did I say that?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/beastly-behavior/201605/trauma-ptsd-and-memory-distortion
https://thehumanevolutionblog.com/2015/10/13/why-does-trauma-cause-memory-distortion/

In fact, converging evidence demonstrates that experiences of trauma, whether a single event (e.g., a sexual assault) or a sustained stressful experience that might involve multiple trauma types (e.g., war) are also vulnerable to memory distortion. In fact, traumatic memory distortion appears to follow a particular pattern: people tend to remember experiencing even more trauma than they really did. This usually translates into greater severity of Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) symptoms over time, as the remembered trauma “grows.”

 

[Babbylonian]

Just to show how wrong you clearly are, she doesn't actually remember when it happened. Sometime around 82. There for I am absolutely correct in saying she does not remember it correctly.

What a load. Nobody's denying that memory isn't imperfect. However, the date that the event happened would be a completely irrelevant detail to a person's memory, especially over a long period of time. I wouldn't expect her to remember the date any more than I would expect her to remember of the color of the walls of the room in which she was assaulted.

Memories being imperfect does not equal memories being wrong. That's not a fundamental to anything, let alone skepticism.

 

[The Big Dog]

Its totally consistent with them not remember the event. I generally deny things that I don't remember doing, especially when I think its out of my character.

I will explain this again.

they are not saying that they don't remember, they said it didn't happen:

Smyth: “I am issuing this statement today to make it clear to all involved that I have no knowledge of the party in question; nor do I have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct she has leveled against Brett Kavanaugh.”

BK: “This is a completely false allegation. I have never done anything like what the accuser describes—to her or to anyone,” Kavanaugh said in the statement Monday. “Because this never happened, I had no idea who was making the accusation until she identified herself yesterday. I am willing to talk to the Senate Judiciary Committee in any way the Committee deems appropriate to refute this false allegation, from 36 years ago, and defend my integrity.”

Judge: "more to the point, I never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes."

They are not saying they don't remember they are saying it did not happen.

 

[The Big Dog]

You have evidence that the first two aren't?

I'll take it then the answer is No, you have no evidence that Smyth was a drunk.

Despite just accusing him of it.

 

[MikeG]

I'll take it then the answer is No, you have no evidence that Smyth was a drunk.

Despite just accusing him of it.

Award yourself some internet points. Now, what about the drunks?

 

[Dr. Keith]

You are incorrect.

No, I really do believe them.

 

[Dr. Keith]

The fact of the matter is that three men identified by her have said that no party like that she described took place.

I'm not sure that anyone has gotten around to accusing the third guy of alcohol abuse, but we can expect to see that shortly

Nobody is accusing them of anything. One of them wrote a book about it.

 

[The Big Dog]

Award yourself some internet points. Now, what about the drunks?

Thanks, i will.

Kavanaugh:

"two former high school girlfriends of embattled Supreme Court Nominee Brett Kavanaugh are now coming to his defense.

“I was absolutely shocked, I couldn’t believe it," Maura Fitzgerald told Fox News. “It’s just so polar opposite of the Brett Kavanaugh that I’ve known for 35 years."

She and Maura Kane both dated Kavanaugh in the 1980s, when he was a student at the elite Georgetown Preparatory School outside Washington, D.C.

“We did drink beer, but I never saw him out of control drunk,” Kane said. [He] always maintained his composure.

Source

Ford: Claims she was a "drinking" party when she was 15, but can't remember the details... Hmmm. Yeah, i think you might be right about Dr. Ford. Cheers

So that makes 1 drunk out of 3.