New SCOTUS Judge

[d4m10n]

Third way:
3) Person nominated to supreme court. Accusation levied against them, details as of yet unverified.

Not really a third way, given that the specific accusation is either true or false.

ETA: It would be nice not to jump to conclusions, though.

 

[The Big Dog]

There were allegedly 3 people in the room. Why do you think that Ford is the only one who could have talked about what transpired? Do you think that people wouldn't boast about grabbing other people by the pussy?

Well we know SHE didn't.

say, you think that this person who was stood up by Ford and doesn't want to talk about it anymore heard it from them??

Zoinks! (answer of course not, but damn, I gotta hand it to you for that!)

 

[MikeG]

I find it disgusting that the GOP is complaining that this woman came out at the last minute when they were trying to have the confirmation process take 45 seconds.

This is the same mob who wouldn't even contemplate Obama's last pick, despite having a year in which to do it.

 

[The Big Dog]

"I understand that I have been identified by Dr. Christine Blasey Ford as the person she remembers as 'PJ' who supposedly was present at the party she described in her statements to the Washington Post," Smyth says in his statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee. "I am issuing this statement today to make it clear to all involved that I have no knowledge of the party in question; nor do I have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct she has leveled against Brett Kavanaugh."

That is three

 

[dudalb]

A civil war over an uncorroborated, 36 year-old accusation in which the "victim" says she can't remember where or even what year it happened, making it impossible for Kavanaugh to defend himself? What nonsense. This should have gone to a local PD, if it actually happened. This woman should not be heard -- this is where the line should be drawn. Make this a precedent and anyone can torpedo anyone else in D.C. just by shouting out an allegation right before the vote, after all of the investigations. The lawyer who demanded an FBI investigation should be disbarred because she doesn't know the difference between federal and local jurisdictions, and all of the Senators who called for an FBI investigation should be censured. Of course, that won't happen, because this is business as usual with the completely corrupt Democrats. Meanwhile, Keith Ellison's accuser is getting death threats and no support from the media, according to her.

No,Civll War over a blatent attempt to destroy true Democracy in America and replace it with a authoritarian one party state, complete with phony "show" election in which the opposition has no chance of winning.
Of which you seem an enthusiastic supporter.

 

[ahhell]

Has anyone pointed out that what you're saying is essentially a lie?

There is a difference between being wrong and lying.

While someone may forget a date, or the color of a room, the chances of forgetting an assault and attempted rape, including the identity of the attacker (if known), are pretty much zero, unless one is being sexually assaulted on a regular basis.

That doesn't really address my point.

The persistence of traumatic memory is the reason that PTSD exists. If it was really so easy to forget traumas, we'd need a lot fewer therapists.

So which is it? Are you wrong or lying?

Anyrate, my point is that that they both might be telling the truth as they see it. There are a few very likely ways this might be true. It could have been something less severe than an attempted rape but more than an awkward kiss. It registers as the first to here and the second to him, which he forgot. It could be that she's conflating multiple events and swapped him in for someone else. Not lying just remembering the wrong drunk teenager. People think they've been abducted by aliens and been victims of ritual abuse.

 

[MikeG]

........It could be that she's conflating multiple events and swapped him in for someone else. Not lying just remembering the wrong drunk teenager. People think they've been abducted by aliens and been victims of ritual abuse.

Did it ever cross your mind that she's simply telling the truth?

 

[dudalb]

Did it ever cross your mind that she's simply telling the truth?

Of course not. That would mean questioning the judgement of Dear Leader in picking Kavanaugh.

 

[The Big Dog]

Did it ever cross your mind that she's simply telling the truth?

Did it cross your mind that the now three people categorically denying it are simply telling the truth?

 

[Babbylonian]

So which is it? Are you wrong or lying?

Nope. That would be you.

I was responding to your post which said...

As anyone pointed out that after 30+ years there is essentially no way either of them remember the event correctly?

This is a complete lie.

While I am willing to acknowledge that Kavanaugh, who apparently was a teenage drunk (another great piece of history for a potential Supreme Court justice!), might not remember sexually assaulting someone (perhaps because he did it so often), there is no way a sexual assault victim doesn't correctly remember being sexually assaulted. The fiction that women misremember the innocent actions of gentle, fumbling men as sexual assault is an insulting product of a society that minimizes crimes against women.

People think they've been abducted by aliens and been victims of ritual abuse.

Always a good sign when someone equates a memory of sexual assault to the fictional and the ridiculous.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Did it cross your mind that the now three people categorically denying it are simply telling the truth?

I actual believe Judge and O'Kavanaugh when they say they have no memory of it. Completely consistent with their history and her story.

 

[Arcade22]

There were allegedly 3 people in the room. Why do you think that Ford is the only one who could have talked about what transpired? Do you think that people wouldn't boast about grabbing other people by the pussy?

Only in Hollywood or in locker-rooms does such things happen. Ask the President of the US and those who voted for him: it's perfectly normal for men to brag about forcing themselves upon women. It happens all the time really.

 

[The Big Dog]

I actual believe Judge and O'Kavanaugh when they say they have no memory of it. Completely consistent with their history and her story.

You are incorrect.

 

[Bob001]

I actual believe Judge and O'Kavanaugh when they say they have no memory of it. Completely consistent with their history and her story.

It would also be consistent with them not forming a memory of an event that they didn't consider significant, as would be the case if they just saw this behavior as "horseplay" or "just clowning around." After all, they weren't being (allegedly) suffocated.

A perspective on male views of what women consider assault:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ugh-christine-blasey-ford-assault-me-too.html

 

[Bob001]

You are incorrect.

Their history includes extensive alcohol abuse. It's a stretch to say they must have a clear, reliable memory of everything the did while drunk.

 

[The Big Dog]

It would also be consistent with them not forming a memory of an event that they didn't consider significant, as would be the case if they just saw this behavior as "horseplay" or "just clowning around." After all, they weren't being (allegedly) suffocated.

A perspective on male views of what women consider assault:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ugh-christine-blasey-ford-assault-me-too.html

Fortunately, it is not consistent with what the three of them have said, each of them have said it did not happen

 

[The Big Dog]

Their history includes extensive alcohol abuse. It's a stretch to say they must have a clear memory of everything the did while drunk.

The fact of the matter is that three men identified by her have said that no party like that she described took place.

I'm not sure that anyone has gotten around to accusing the third guy of alcohol abuse, but we can expect to see that shortly

 

[MikeG]

Did it cross your mind that the now three people categorically denying it are simply telling the truth?

The drunks, you mean?

 

[Armitage72]

Only in Hollywood or in locker-rooms does such things happen. Ask the President of the US and those who voted for him: it's perfectly normal for men to brag about forcing themselves upon women. It happens all the time really.

A man was recently arrested in Colonie, NY when he showed up at a hotel expecting to have sex with a 13 year old girl and her step-father. He claimed that he didn't believe she was really that young and his graphic online conversations about sex with a minor were just "locker room talk".
Perfectly normal.

 

[ahhell]

Nope. That would be you.

I was responding to your post which said...

This is a complete lie.

Again, even if what I said was wrong, there's another option.

While I am willing to acknowledge that Kavanaugh, who apparently was a teenage drunk (another great piece of history for a potential Supreme Court justice!), might not remember sexually assaulting someone (perhaps because he did it so often), there is no way a sexual assault victim doesn't correctly remember being sexually assaulted. The fiction that women misremember the innocent actions of gentle, fumbling men as sexual assault is an insulting product of a society that minimizes crimes against women.

People misremember almost everything. That's just reality.

Always a good sign when someone equates a memory of sexual assault to the fictional and the ridiculous.

Dude, you really are intent on reading my posts in the worst possible light. I wasn't equating them, I was pointing out that people actually have traumatic memories of things that clearly have not happened. So, if a person can falsely remember being abducted by aliens then other people can falsely believe they were assaulted by someone who didn't actually assault them. The notion that traumatic memories are somehow reliable just because they are traumatic is just not true.

....there is no way a sexual assault victim doesn't correctly remember being sexually assaulted.

See when you put "no way" in that sentence, it becomes false. People do not correctly remember events in there lives but you seem to think that women's memories of sexual assault are somehow different? Or is it also a fiction that people get memories wrong all the time and even remember things that never happened?

Just to show how wrong you clearly are, she doesn't actually remember when it happened. Sometime around 82. There for I am absolutely correct in saying she does not remember it correctly. I never said than any particularly detail is incorrect, just that there is no way that either of them remember it correctly, which is true. Its true because that is the nature of human memory. We can remember simple facts correctly, who was the 23rd president, we do not remember events correctly. We constantly rewrite them. That is fundamental to skepticism.