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Cont: The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein!

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God, Trump is even get a little kickback from some Republcians on his Puerto Rico statements. I would not be surprised of all of them all from "Swing" districts, where Trump's popularity is dropping like a stone. I hope voters remember that one mild criticism does not make up for months of lickspittle butt kissing.
 
Sean Hannity said Trump will fire Mueller after the Hurricane.
I am calling BS on this,even Trump knows firing Mueller before the elections will pretty much end any chance of the GOP keeping the House, and greatly increase the chances of the Dems taking the Senate as well.I think it is just Hannity looking for attention and feeding his base.
 
Diablo said:
Many people are in the position of managing their boss, passing on the information required to get the right decision....
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Okay, that's probably true. However, I'm not really comfortable with the idea of a Commander in Chief only being given information that others think won't upset him or is contrary to what hè thinks is true. Shouldn't a POTUS get all the information unedited so that he can make the best decision possible?
If the staff at the widget factory is massaging Mr. Smith, who cares? But a President? That could cause a few problems.
 
dudalb said:
Sean Hannity said Trump will fire Mueller after the Hurricane.
I am calling BS on this,even Trump knows firing Mueller before the elections will pretty much end any chance of the GOP keeping the House, and greatly increase the chances of the Dems taking the Senate as well.
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Couldn't the House then hire Mueller as their own special prosecutor and essentially shield him from Trump completely?
 
Belz... said:
Couldn't the House then hire Mueller as their own special prosecutor and essentially shield him from Trump completely?
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Which is why firing Mueller before the election is such a stupid idea that I think even a idiot like Trump knows better, and this is just Hannity talking the piss on his radio talk show.
 
FenerFan said:
Okay, that's probably true. However, I'm not really comfortable with the idea of a Commander in Chief only being given information that others think won't upset him or is contrary to what hè thinks is true. Shouldn't a POTUS get all the information unedited so that he can make the best decision possible?
If the staff at the widget factory is massaging Mr. Smith, who cares? But a President? That could cause a few problems.
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What if he thinks a pre-emptive nuclear strike is the right thing? Should the minions try and prevent it?

No leader gets unedited info, it's all carefully vetted. If your leader has some good qualities then they should be nutured and the bad ones mitigated.

Probably the POTUS has too much power in his hands under the US system, without enough checks and balances?
 
TofuFighter said:
Ideally you'd like to see your president show some regret that there is such a high death toll, perhaps offer some words of comfort or assurance that every effort would be made to prevent such a thing happening again.

Instead... it's democrats lying about people dying in order to make him look bad.

It's mind boggling.
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As ever everything for him is about him, it's pretty obviously pathological.
 
You know, probably a subject for another thread, but I'd like to gauge interest first.

Instead of term limits, what does anyone think about limits on consecutive terms? In other words, there's no hard limits, but you can't serve two terms in a row?

Would it lead to politicians taking more care with the long view, in hopes of re-election later? Or, more business as usual with politicians relying on the electorates short attention span to brush deficiencies under the rug, or getting what they can and getting out?
 
Foolmewunz said:
I'm pretty sure it's also the same team he sent to Puerto Rico; achieved about as much in all three instances.

Wait, that's not fair. He tossed some paper towels to someone in San Juan.
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Which to be fair is probably the most charitable thing he has ever done.
 
Darat said:
As ever everything for him is about him, it's pretty obviously pathological.
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I was genuinely surprised that he apparently managed to stick to the script when speaking at the 9/11 memorial and not boast about himself at some point. There were the Tweets, and the fist pump to the crowd while he was on his way there though.
 
Armitage72 said:
I was genuinely surprised that he apparently managed to stick to the script when speaking at the 9/11 memorial and not boast about himself at some point. There were the Tweets, and the fist pump to the crowd while he was on his way there though.
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How depressing must it be for anyone who tries to write good (as opposed to Trump) material for him? Even if the speech is good and even if Trump manages to deliver it without stepping on his crank, it'll still end up ruined or forgotten by every other stupid thing Trump does and says that day.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I've mentioned in other threads that one of the things that I've been the most shocked to learn as I mature is how effective of a debate strategy being completely wrong about everything is. It leaves your opponents nothing to hold on to or framework to work in to create a counter-argument. "2+2=5" or "The Sky is Red" or "Potatoes are a fruit" can all be argued against. You can only stare with confusion and horror at somebody babbling into the black about 2+Sky equaling potato.

Trump is an odd, weird real life, action based version of this. He's oddly untouchable via doing the wrong thing... about everything. It would take an hour just to sit here and list all the things he's done wrong and all them got ignored because he turned around and... did another thing wrong. I'd be tempted to call it genius if I was ready to give him that much credit.

Trump is not a little boy reminding his mother of the time he made a hand written birthday card for her when she catches him with his hand in the cookie jar. He's a little boy that pulls down his pants and craps on the rug when you catch him with his hand in the cookie jar and to be fair... you don't really feel like worrying about the cookie in this case.

And despite the humor for affect I am being mostly serious. I think the fact that it would be nigh impossible to get everyone who opposes him to agree on what exactly the worst thing Trump has done, the thing we need to address first, has worked to his advantage.
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The only reason he gets away with that is because Republicans in Congress let him. For their own political power. Despite the damage it does to our democracy and its values.

There's no expletive that does justice to this situation.
 
Belz... said:
For myself: I'll complain about it on the internet and debate those who disagree.

Being not an American, there's little else I can do but vote for representatives here who won't engage in Trump's sort of nonsense.
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Give as much money as you can to Democratic candidates who have a chance of beating their Republican rivals, in any electoral district, for the House or for the Senate or for state offices.
 
dudalb said:
I am now convinced unless a miracle happens, this country is headed for the worst trainwreck in it's history since the Civil War.
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Yes, and it may be - no, it already has been - a slow-moving, gradual train wreck, starting in the 1960s when Southern Democrats hated Johnson for the Civil Rights Act and moved to the Republican party, then got catered to by Nixon's Southern strategy, got further ensconced by the Moral Majority in the 1980s, went ballistic with the Tea party, and has been building up a head of steam throughout the last 50 years.

It took a long time to get here, and I hope we can somehow turn things around in a (much) shorter length of time.
 
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