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Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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d4m10n said:
My question exactly.

As I've mentioned more than once, loads of phenotypically white people have some significant native ancestry, especially here in Oklahoma.
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That is fine because most people are dumb. But if Warren views herself as not a dumb person, did she exercise an appropriate level of not dumb caution Before stating it?

Scratch that. That argument is being way to charitable to her opponents who are clearly trying to make this an issue of straight up lying.
 
d4m10n said:
My question exactly.

As I've mentioned more than once, loads of phenotypically white people have some significant native ancestry, especially here in Oklahoma.
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My younger sister's husband is white. Her kids are white. His parents are clearly Native American. I have no idea what % of their ancestry is Native American, but all the stereotypical phenotypes certainly came to the surface in them, particularly his mother. My brother-in-laws sister on the other hand looks a lot like their mother.
 
theprestige said:
But it does let Warren in for some pointing and laughing. The epithet, "Fauxcahontas", is the stupid prize she won.
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Your problem is, nobody cares.

There is basically no person in the country who will be swayed to not vote for her based on any of this. The fact that this is the main argument against her fills my Liz-loving heart with joy.

Good luck to the GOP in 2020.
 
Belz... said:
Bob, I mentioned that I'm waiting for reparations from "Saracens" for an event that transpired 1100+ years ago.

Think, please.
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Go back far enough, we probably owe ourselves reparations for what our early ancestors did to our other early ancestors.
 
kellyb said:
Those unreasonable people won't vote for any Democrats, anyway.
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Yeah. IMO, the type of person that has a real problem with her claiming native american ancestry at some point in the past, in a minor way, is not the type of person that was going to vote for her to begin with. Those are the type of people that are just looking for reasons to dislike her.

ETA: This sort of thing is not a one way street. People tend to take minor issues they have with their opponents and blow them out of proportion, while everyone else doesn't really care. The bigger question, is what else is used to go after her. I'm not super familiar with Warren, but so far all I've really heard used as a criticism of her is this native american thing. That gives me the impression that there's not much else to attack her on.
 
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kellyb said:
Those unreasonable people won't vote for any Democrats, anyway.
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Of course this is a complete guess, but I think many people voted for Trump over Hillary purely on basis of PR...
Tough no-nonsense antiestablishmentarian versus PC corporatist robot snake.

Unfortunately, optics matter at least as much as arguments.
And the mockery Warren will face, and the backlash against the inevitable accusations of racism against those calling her Pocahontas will affect her poll numbers.
 
Republicans like to bring up Warren's Ancestry as a way to use racist, slurs while trying to claim they aren't racist.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
Of course this is a complete guess, but I think many people voted for Trump over Hillary purely on basis of PR...
Tough no-nonsense antiestablishmentarian versus PC corporatist robot snake.

Unfortunately, optics matter at least as much as arguments.
And the mockery Warren will face, and the backlash against the inevitable accusations of racism against those calling her Pocahontas will affect her poll numbers.
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What is "many"?
 
"Pocahontas' real name was Matoaka. Pocahontas was only a nickname, and it can variously be translated to 'little brat' or 'the naughty one'."
-- The Pocahontas Myth (Oct 24, 2013)


Similarly, Warren's real name is Elizabeth. Pocahontas is only a nickname, and it can variously be translated to 'spoiled brat' or 'the crazy one'.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
And as we've seen, a significant chunk of the voter base gets more annoyed at being called racist than at actual racism.
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To be fair, being called a racist when you don't think of yourself as one is insulting, especially if you're actually not a racist. Of course, speaking out against racism would help one make a case for the latter.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Republicans like to bring up Warren's Ancestry as a way to use racist, slurs while trying to claim they aren't racist.
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Remember when Trump said “Pocahontas” in front of those native Americans he was honoring in front of the Andrew Jackson portrait? Good times.
 
Belz... said:
To be fair, being called a racist when you don't think of yourself as one is insulting, especially if you're actually not a racist. Of course, speaking out against racism would help one make a case for the latter.
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Trump's demagoguery doesn't exploit just racism and fear of diversity; it exploits the resentment some feel that minorities are getting some special, undeserved treatment, which they see as "reverse racism." That's why it's so important for them to lie about Warren using her ancestry to receive such favoritism.
 
kellyb said:
There is basically no person in the country who will be swayed to not vote for her based on any of this. The fact that this is the main argument against her fills my Liz-loving heart with joy.
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I think this is more-or-less spot-on.

There are a number of “alt right” and neo-nazi types who view any claim to non-European ancestry with suspicion and hostility, but those volk are already marching goosestep lockstep behind Trump.
 
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